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Comments concerning VN

Post by Concerned_user » Thu May 16, 2019 9:24 pm

All the kickstarter page comments should be collected here, since by the looks of it nobody checks them. At least here they stand a chance of being seen and addressed.

Nicole Trajano
about 15 hours ago
"You guys have lost my trust and loyalty. I was a High School Graduate when i funded this, begged my mother to get the $115 dollars which cost us like P5,800. it has been 6 years, and all you guys keep saying is to "check the forums"

I feel so used....

I hereby invoke my rights under Kickstarter's Terms of Use:

https://www.kickstarter.com/terms-of-use/oct2012

"Project Creators are required to fulfill all rewards of their successful fundraising campaigns or refund any Backer whose reward they do not or cannot fulfill."

I demand a full refund for my pledge amount. I will be reporting this project, I dont care if I had been a fan since the 4-panel age.

Nicole Trajano
about 15 hours ago
"BTW, i just want to add, I do read the forums sometimes. and I get that Life can get troubling. My Dad had an accident, and my mom had cancer (surgery successful, she is still recovering). And sometimes drawing does take time. but at least send in partial of the rewards, like the shirts and small stuffs. That is why I still think it's a betrayal.

You are neglecting the people here and focusing your work and admins in your own website. That is just..."

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Re: Comments concerning VN

Post by Rowandoll » Sat May 18, 2019 9:25 am

Copied from Kickstarter:

I hereby invoke my rights under Kickstarter's Terms of Use:

https://www.kickstarter.com/terms-of-use/oct2012

"Project Creators are required to fulfill all rewards of their successful fundraising campaigns or refund any Backer whose reward they do not or cannot fulfill."

I demand a full refund for my pledge amount.

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Re: Comments concerning VN

Post by paarfi » Sat May 18, 2019 11:35 am

Folks, Fred does get notified of comments on the Kickstarter page, but he does not typically monitor this forum, other than with a quick check or two of the current story discussion thread to see if people got what he was trying to get across in the latest comic. When he responds to Kickstarter comments, including requests for refunds, he will no doubt do so privately.

So if the purpose of copying Kickstarter comments to this forum is because you think that Fred is not seeing them in their original location and that he will see them here, then I'm afraid it is unlikely to accomplish what you wish.

If you need an alternative way to contact Fred, you can click on Fred's name on the Kickstarter page, then click on the Contact Me button to message him directly.

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Re: Comments concerning VN

Post by walkingeagle » Sat May 18, 2019 10:18 pm

paarfi wrote:
Sat May 18, 2019 11:35 am
Folks, Fred does get notified of comments on the Kickstarter page, but he does not typically monitor this forum, other than with a quick check or two of the current story discussion thread to see if people got what he was trying to get across in the latest comic. When he responds to Kickstarter comments, including requests for refunds, he will no doubt do so privately.

So if the purpose of copying Kickstarter comments to this forum is because you think that Fred is not seeing them in their original location and that he will see them here, then I'm afraid it is unlikely to accomplish what you wish.

If you need an alternative way to contact Fred, you can click on Fred's name on the Kickstarter page, then click on the Contact Me button to message him directly.

edit: formatting
What a diplomatic way of saying that he doesn’t care what we have to say here and only has this subforum to quarantine the comments so they don’t leak into his fanclub.

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Re: Comments concerning VN

Post by paarfi » Sat May 18, 2019 10:50 pm

I said nothing about Fred not caring. He cares very much. I'm simply pointing out that this forum is for fans to talk to fans about MT and other things. It is not a good way to attempt to communicate directly with Fred. Regarding the VN, both the Kickstarter comments and the direct Kickstarter Contact Me would be better choices.
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Re: Comments concerning VN

Post by cool2burn » Mon May 20, 2019 6:10 am

Regardless if he cares the second he started living off the money he raised instead of using it for its intended purpose he deserved to go to JAIL. And in my opinion he still does. LOCK HIM UP!!!

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Re: Comments concerning VN

Post by cool2burn » Mon May 20, 2019 6:12 am

Did he pay income tax on the portion of that money he used for living expenses? Hmm maybe report him to the IRS as well. An audit might be in order.

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Re: Comments concerning VN

Post by paarfi » Mon May 20, 2019 7:07 am

Oh for pete's sake. Of course Fred payed his taxes. And of course some of the kickstarter money went to pay his living expenses. Fred has put more work in to the VN than anybody, and to do so he nearly stopped work for years on the comic and everything else that enabled him to pay to bills and feed his family. That is not illegal. The Kickstarter money was to fund work on VN, and a very large part of that work needed to come from Fred. It is silly to expect him to do that for free, and that would be a complete misunderstanding of what kickstarter funding is all about or how any real business works. This has been a real business failure yes, and you can fairly blame Fred for inexperience, incompetence, and an inability to properly run a project. But there was nothing illegal here or even immoral here. New business venture fail every day.
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Re: Comments concerning VN

Post by cool2burn » Mon May 20, 2019 9:07 am

LOL i am sure he paid the taxes he owed thru kick starter. However once as a business with 300k of capital. If he took money from it for living expenses he needed to file a w-4 and either remove that capital thru hourly pay or salary. Which is subject to federal income tax. And basing this upon the utter lack of anything I would think at least 200k of that went into his pockets. The IRS loves shady people like that,

Reguards

A actual Business Owner.

P.S.

If i did what Fred did with investor money I would be sweating bullets.

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Re: Comments concerning VN

Post by walkingeagle » Mon May 20, 2019 2:56 pm

paarfi wrote:
Mon May 20, 2019 7:07 am
Oh for pete's sake. Of course Fred payed his taxes. And of course some of the kickstarter money went to pay his living expenses. Fred has put more work in to the VN than anybody, and to do so he nearly stopped work for years on the comic and everything else that enabled him to pay to bills and feed his family. That is not illegal. The Kickstarter money was to fund work on VN, and a very large part of that work needed to come from Fred. It is silly to expect him to do that for free, and that would be a complete misunderstanding of what kickstarter funding is all about or how any real business works. This has been a real business failure yes, and you can fairly blame Fred for inexperience, incompetence, and an inability to properly run a project. But there was nothing illegal here or even immoral here. New business venture fail every day.
So... it’s not immoral at all to not communicate with your backers at all because you’re just ever so upset about it, and then make them have to request a refund instead of reaching out about things, and then - according to comments on the Kickstarter - not even follow through with the refund at all?

By the way, you’re talking about work halting on the comic etc as proof that he worked hard... but he never has been getting comics out on time so that’s not exactly a good way to gauge that.

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Re: Comments concerning VN

Post by Piroko_chan » Mon May 20, 2019 5:42 pm

paarfi wrote:
Sat May 18, 2019 11:35 am
Folks, Fred does get notified of comments on the Kickstarter page, but he does not typically monitor this forum, other than with a quick check or two of the current story discussion thread to see if people got what he was trying to get across in the latest comic. When he responds to Kickstarter comments, including requests for refunds, he will no doubt do so privately.
Yeah...here's the problem with that last part:
"Nothing is gonna happen. On January 5th I was told by Fred that he would be happy to refund my pledge, after I send him my Paypal address. He never sent the money or responded again.

You can defend him as much as you want. Maybe you know Fred better. But the fact stands that he took the money, didn't deliver and lied to me."
(This was from a few days ago.)
So if the purpose of copying Kickstarter comments to this forum is because you think that Fred is not seeing them in their original location and that he will see them here, then I'm afraid it is unlikely to accomplish what you wish.

If you need an alternative way to contact Fred, you can click on Fred's name on the Kickstarter page, then click on the Contact Me button to message him directly.

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The last time someone involved with the project replied to a comment was two months ago and the last time before that was 9 months ago. When it comes to communication and the VN, you're it.

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Re: Comments concerning VN

Post by Concerned_user » Mon May 20, 2019 9:39 pm

Volumes of manga for sale around the world, a store selling merchandise and art for hundreds of dollars a piece, convention sales, and a successful kickstarter of up to 300k, not to mention a 2k a month patreon, all to make barely 4 pages of a comic a month that should have ended years ago?! Give me a damn break. I wish I had such a job. I still have a lot of very similar hardships as him,but I manage somehow on way less support, luck, and money.

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Re: Comments concerning VN

Post by Concerned_user » Tue May 21, 2019 1:15 am

by the way, if anyone is keeping track, patreons are being sold the idea that 2000 bucks a month will make a min of 4 pages per month. its approaching the end of May and so far only 2 pages, with patreon goal met. This is all reading very similar to give me this amount of money for visual novel or stretch goals etc and I will give you this, and this. It hurts that this is looking more and more like fan abuse. So many unyielding supportive fans, being taken for all they are worth.

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