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[1528] An old story that needs to be finished

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Re: [1528] An old story that needs to be finished

Post by BetaCygnus » Mon Jun 25, 2018 3:20 am

paarfi wrote:
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arimareiji wrote:
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If you abduct a kitsune child, is it kit-napping (twice over, even)?
What if knock her unconscious too? Would that be triple?
No, triple would require some of this here: [476].

…although I wonder if that would also mess with some of the vowels in "kit-napping".
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Triple would result in "kat-nipping" [479]. =)
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Ninja are honorable, [...] pushed things over the edge. Prejudice can make people do ugly things.
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Well… given her current treatment of Yakugashi, I still think the "are" in that first statement is being challenged rather severely by NinjaMom herself.

=/

Whatever her reasons for binding and gagging The Incredible Kitsune Kid™ might be (and however strongly I may feel about that), this new development seems to indicate that NinjaMom knows more about Yakugashi’s power(s) than Yaku.

Well *that* sounds like a familiar theme… Would you think that it has anything to do with the first and third characters of Yaku’s name?

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There does seem to be a who/what is a monster sub-theme running. Several of the principals have been accused of monsterdom at some point..,

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There have also been a number of other references to monsters in passing [83, 359. 380, 606, 1051.1076.1095. 1118,1375]
I think at least we’ve at last got enough evidence to identify (one of?) Fred’s fetish(es?). =D
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Re: [1528] An old story that needs to be finished

Post by Invisigoth » Mon Jun 25, 2018 6:45 am

I doubt that Yaku has any sort of power of presents any sort of danger that would really concern NInja Grrl.

Yaku is now a prisoner of the Ninja and is being accorded all the benefits accorded that status

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Re: [1528] An old story that needs to be finished

Post by BetaCygnus » Mon Jun 25, 2018 7:42 am

…which would bring me back to my former conclusion that NinjaMom is breaking the Code of Honor, thereby nullifying her own credibility.
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Re: [1528] An old story that needs to be finished

Post by Invisigoth » Mon Jun 25, 2018 8:33 am

Or Ninjama'am views kitsune with the same degree of warmth with which I regard coyotes.

little monster indeed.....

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Re: [1528] An old story that needs to be finished

Post by BetaCygnus » Mon Jun 25, 2018 8:56 am

Could be.
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Re: [1528] An old story that needs to be finished

Post by arimareiji » Mon Jun 25, 2018 10:36 am

BetaCygnus wrote:
Mon Jun 25, 2018 3:20 am
paarfi wrote:
Sun Jun 24, 2018 2:18 pm
arimareiji wrote:
Sun Jun 24, 2018 1:41 pm
If you abduct a kitsune child, is it kit-napping (twice over, even)?
What if knock her unconscious too? Would that be triple?
No, triple would require some of this here: [476].

…although I wonder if that would also mess with some of the vowels in "kit-napping".
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Triple would result in "kat-nipping" [479]. =)
Nice! :)

(Also, for anyone not into weird obscure puns: A young fox is a "kit".)
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Re: [1528] An old story that needs to be finished

Post by iffy » Mon Jun 25, 2018 12:38 pm

Whoever she is, she's got at least three ninja that she's in command of or that work for her.

And there's some unfinished business which apparently has to do with Yaku or her family (but not those who are at the love hotel, yet?) or foxpeople in general or those from Himeji, or people getting too familiar with jmgff but aren't already, or she just wants Yaku quiet and unable to interfere, or it's all bogus she just wants Miho to go alone. Or to see if Miho is going to do something now.

But if we take it on how it looks like it pretty much is, she's apparently unconcerned with what Miho does or if the story rebegins how. Although it's not apparent why it would take three Ninja to bring Miho someplace, so perhaps a bit of a show of force or sign that it wasn't just the other two against one Ninja. Again though, it could still be some test for now, if she doesn't have an answer of how dangerous or not Miho is still, or if there's another motive or goal too. Almost clearly, she's not what she keeps seeming, another layer keeps unfolding.

How high up Junpei is in the hierchary, and how much leeway he gets or not, and whatever this peer/boss/sister/mother/grandmother thinks of it all good or bad or otherwise, rather unknown. Why did go out of her way to try (succeeded or failed) to not let Junpei know she was there. How safe a place is this or not, it's all sort of a mystery.


As to forgetting Miho, it looked to be just the casuals and randoms. Those who pretty clearly seem that they "didn't forget" include the ASF and the people policing it, the TPCD, the CoE people, lots of Otaku, Junko, Yuki, Yutaka, Meimi, Ping, Piro, Kimiko, Largo, Ed, Ibara, Dom, and those others who showed up at the CoE to see her.

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Re: [1528] An old story that needs to be finished

Post by Sackett » Mon Jun 25, 2018 5:47 pm

I don't know, more ninjas outnumbering Miho just seems to set us up for a Miho win as one ninja is difficult to fight, but 3 ninja are just a workout.

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Re: [1528] An old story that needs to be finished

Post by GreyWolfe » Mon Jun 25, 2018 6:57 pm

Didn't Fred mention at some point that there is an ancient enmity/feud/tenuous relationship between the Ninja and the Kitsune?
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Re: [1528] An old story that needs to be finished

Post by paarfi » Mon Jun 25, 2018 7:15 pm

GreyWolfe wrote:
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ancient enmity/feud/tenuous relationship between the Ninja and the Kitsune?
That might explain why Sunay (Mugi's Endgames character) is a Pirate.
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Re: [1528] An old story that needs to be finished

Post by Invisigoth » Mon Jun 25, 2018 8:49 pm

Miho fresh out of surgery destroyed a hospital wing and rocked every private military contractor in Tokyo back on their heels and while at the point of collapse gave Junpei an ass whoopin’

Miho still isn’t feeling to good so the ninja may be able to escort her to The Fox Hole if that’s where she really wants to go

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Re: [1528] An old story that needs to be finished

Post by Hecatombe » Mon Jun 25, 2018 10:25 pm

The situation looks pretty grim. But maybe she's gagging Yaku so she can't call Jumpei if she remembers the name.

I want to think that ninjagrrl believes/knows that Yaku can indeed "write" storys, so she wants her help.
Also she's leaving Miho to write herown story, no idea if that it's good.

So why didn't Jumpei come? I don't think he really needs nor expects his name to be uttered.

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Re: [1528] An old story that needs to be finished

Post by Heywulf » Mon Jun 25, 2018 11:05 pm

I believe that Yakugashi ALREADY called for Junpei Ninja. He may be momentarily busy.

Tying and muffling Yakugashi crosses a line of story-telling convention. Ninja-relative goes from actions that are teasing annoyance to what I believe is called "Peril". (And it is called peril for good reasons.) I would believe that Miho has seen this story scenario many-many times before. This is the daughter of one of Miho's major retainers, that is being threatened. Miho knows most of the variant scenarios.

Perhaps ninja-relative is only doing this as an experimental provocation. Perhaps she really doesn't quite know who Miho is, and wants to find out more.

While I also think it looks like 3 ninjas have arrived to back-up Ninja-relative, we won't really know their motivations until the coming actions & responses.

While there are many-many heroic people that we may see and meet in MegaTokyo, right here & now there has been only one unfocused Story Analog in this room.

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Re: [1528] An old story that needs to be finished

Post by Invisigoth » Mon Jun 25, 2018 11:16 pm

Miho has essentially been dismissed. Ninjama'am was determining if Miho indeed wanted to live. That whole thing was an extremely harsh test of Miho and it's been decided by her that Miho is now free to pursue a new story.

So Miho has been dismissed and Yaku has found herself playing a part in another old story that needs to have the book closed on it,

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Re: [1528] An old story that needs to be finished

Post by BetaCygnus » Mon Jun 25, 2018 11:48 pm

Hecatombe wrote:
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So why didn't Jumpei come? I don't think he really needs nor expects his name to be uttered.
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We’ll have to wait and see, but… yeah, he’s been quite *jumpey* lately! :lol:
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Re: [1528] An old story that needs to be finished

Post by maldrul » Tue Jun 26, 2018 3:42 am

sorry if this has already been discussed, but why doesn't ninjagrrl speak ninja like Junpei and Head Ninja?
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Re: [1528] An old story that needs to be finished

Post by cidjen » Tue Jun 26, 2018 4:59 am

Because maybe she is from the generation that created the ninja movie genre :) and Junpei talks 'ninja' as a homage to how badly these movies were dubbed :) She may not be Ninja Granny but may be Ninja-mama :)
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Re: [1528] An old story that needs to be finished

Post by Invisigoth » Tue Jun 26, 2018 6:34 am

Maybe because she'd have been taken seriously and Miho and Yaku would have had their guards up during interrogation. Yeah, they both underwent a serious grilling without even realizing what had happened until it was too late.

With his speech impediment or accent or whatever Junpei would make a terrible interrogator

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Re: [1528] An old story that needs to be finished

Post by BetaCygnus » Tue Jun 26, 2018 7:34 am

So… ninja’s don’t have to keep up a cool image and according behaviour anymore?
Like in… <STRIKETHROUGH> :ninja: </strikethrough>

Now that should come as a shock to the genre’s fan base… :ph34r:
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Re: [1528] An old story that needs to be finished

Post by darrin » Tue Jun 26, 2018 12:37 pm

Yikes. If you have any interest in hearing someone's side of the story, you don't typically gag them. I am really hoping the Reservoir Dogs vibe I am getting here is just my own paranoia and not indicative of the direction this is actually going.

And if Miho walks out now for yet more "how much can we mess with Piro today" shenanigans, leaving a teenage girl clearly being dragged forcibly into a "helping the Ninja with their inquiries" backroom session (or worse), my opinion of her will continue to dip southward. Never thought I'd hear myself say this but my thralldom is on the verge of being in peril here. :shock:
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Re: [1528] An old story that needs to be finished

Post by iffy » Tue Jun 26, 2018 12:55 pm

Might seem being dismissive wouldn't work, especially if as appears true Miho is only vulnerable when she wants to seem so. When it all looks real it's difficult to tell when it isn't, might be the way to put it.

In a lot of ways it continues to smell like a setup. This hasn't been the first time Enjii has done something that ostensibly is dropping the act, hahaha, now I have to kill you, lalala, time to be gagged, but it remains to be seen what actually isn't an act and what is just another variation on a bigger one.

Maybe underneath all the layers of onion is a pearl.

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Re: [1528] An old story that needs to be finished

Post by BetaCygnus » Tue Jun 26, 2018 4:03 pm

darrin wrote:
Tue Jun 26, 2018 12:37 pm
Yikes. If you have [...] but my thralldom is on the verge of being in peril here. :shock:
I couldn’t agree more, Darrin.
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Maybe underneath all the layers of onion is a pearl.
There *might* be. But I’m sorry — even if she’s the most experienced, wise and intelligent ninja otherwise, *this* is not the way.
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Re: [1528] An old story that needs to be finished

Post by iffy » Tue Jun 26, 2018 4:53 pm

The layers comment was about how the apparent serious underneath has apparently poked out of the what we might assume is a projected goofy valley girl facade at least twice, but we still don't know if that apparent serious underneath is just more act or not.

As far as what the way is or isn't. As I have not much any actual solidified logically flowing idea what she's planning or doing or why, I don't know what this disturbing ominous Perils of Pauline vibe the something-aged Ninja female tying up the teenage Foxgirl' is.

It reminds me at least somewhat of all the seeming anger and rage mixed with reasonable and nostalgic something that Miho piles upon Yuki at the ASF, and then again more so at the bath house. Which the first time appears to have resulted in Yuki taking a similarly passive-aggressive sorts of retaliation to Miho's apparent detriment, and the second time Yuki being more purposely helpful that lead to... whoever it was good, neutral or bad for in where everyone went and did later.

But that last panel certainly doesn't seem reasonable, fair, nice or good whatever Enjii is doing, and also it doesn't seem it's anything that Yakugashi deserves or should have happen to her, either for herself and now or the past and others. Perhaps we've met our first true evil villain, with the motivation and power and intent and skill and capability to carry out her vile wicked terrible plans. Or perhaps we're getting ready to see if Miho really cares about going to the love hotel, if everything that's happened to Miho recently amounts to just about nothing. Or whatever else it is that happens next here, before or after scene change.

The guess to be hazarded is that it would seem Miho isn't going to leave and isn't going to stay and do nothing. But there have been surprises before. Maybe not. So let's do more notional stuff, like say this. The Analogue knows what's happening why and where it's going, this is still the past story continuing, and Miho knows she can leave and nothing bad will happen to anyone here (or has shoved the story so nothing bad can happen) so Miho leaves. Making it look all sorts of horrible. Yet just as easily, that Miho decides whatever game this is isn't to her liking, and takes steps to end whatever subterfuge and illusion she has been up to. Or doesn't or can't, has no choice, and has to leave for bigger fish. Which many including both the others females here condemn Miho for her selfish cold heartless reaction. Which also seems reminiscent of whatever supposedly happened when Erika quit and Miho had to step in and do whatever it was she did to take advantage of it or diffuse it.

So why not, Miho makes a move to save Yaku, and the four Ninja now here are too much for her, with a silenced immobile Yaku unable to help, resulting in Miho's unfortunate actual demise, ending the other stories going on including the one going on here. As in, the old story is Miho, with Yaku as bait and also as a potential hazard in her words and action that has been neutralized. Maybe next we get the answer of what might have happened at hospital if Junpei had been actively attempting to carry out the contingency plans.

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Re: [1528] An old story that needs to be finished

Post by Invisigoth » Tue Jun 26, 2018 7:04 pm

Or Miho opens a can of whup ass subsequently leveling the Ninja compound and forcing Junpei to choose between pursuing his suit with Mugi who is on ""Miho Faction", not to mention the mother of one hard headed teen kitsune or loyalty to his Clan....

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Re: [1528] An old story that needs to be finished

Post by DrunkenSailor » Wed Jun 27, 2018 2:33 am

I don't know how evil, violent or benign Ninja girl's intentions toward Yaku are, but think she doesn't want Yaku remembering Junpei's name and summoning him half way through it, thus the gag. I also hope Miho was smart enough after over 100 years of this kind of stuff to sand bag a bit in her struggles with Ninja-Girl (as NG herself was doing at least a bit with Miho perhaps), though the whole knife to the throat part makes it look unlikely.

Fred seems to vary Miho's implied fighting level a lot. She kicks butt on everything at the hospital. One Ninja flumuxes her here in Junpei's old bedroom. She's the only thing that ever gave Ed fear in her role as the 'real thing'. Later Dom is completely dismissive of her.

I'd really love to see her unleash her full strength here and have it be well over 9000. A panel with lots of tied up and exhausted butt kicked ninja (with that all important mix of tweety-birds AND stars circling their heads) lying around a mostly demolished Ninja complex as the dust settles and Miho unties Yaku. "Calm down sweety, Aunt Miho isn't going to leave you here with these doofusses.

Probably not going to happen if only because I want to see it.

Perhaps all Miho really needs to do is yell "Oy, Junpei !!" before she gets rushed away from the scene.

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