NinjaDefenestrator wrote: ↑
Mon Mar 12, 2018 6:57 pm
the creation of an entire genre of ninja movies happened in order to deal with termination orders and similar things?
If that female ninja is correct about the cause/effect of it, maybe some groups are able to create operational mechanisms that fit smoothly into story(ies) by developing their own fiction. Or perhaps they have Analogues of their own.
Ninja clans are the Stability Project?
Stability more like honor or love or sadness. It seems ninja are one of the forces that happen to be on the side of stability. Do things that help make things more stable. Apparently most everyone is. Even Dom/Ed/Ibara seem to (usually) have plans that fit into the fabric. Instability, that might be more a force of nature, the descent into randomness that stems from lacking structure and rules. Such as when Ed is more unstable and decides to destroy city hall without a permit. Or maybe like Erika quitting or Miho not dying, things that appear harmful, unscripted random moves into a generalized entropy. Likely ninja are not immune either, potentially putting bail in an area "stability" seems to have set off limits to ninja, following the request of a foxhuman to not terminate the off-the-rails Analogue, finding out about your prey and leaving suddenly instead of finishing things.
Who’s giving them orders and paying them in the first place?
Shadowy figures, or behind the scene power brokers, or somebody like Dom. A god gone incognito. The trusted member of the party who turns out to be quite otherwise. Who knows, it might track back to Miho. That the real thing is not a creator of story, but the ultimate moderating force against total chaos in the non-fictional realms.
She called off the zombies, why not be the one giving contracts on herself to agents of stability? (not that it's seriously true, but in this crazy place, why couldn't it be)
cidjen wrote: ↑
Tue Mar 13, 2018 5:39 am
Hmm... by the word of Miho, again, it's more like, if the Fans / Audience don't give Life to the story any more, then the Analogue / Reality Anchor would cease to exist; but that may not actually be 'general case'; remember Miho is a special case : she's Anchoring the Story that (she thinks) consists solely of an ending.
Another tidbit of pseudo knowledge, from a single-source of uncheckable uncorrectable information. More than that, who has been said to create believable fiction from nothing, that is indistinguishable from fact, that nobody seems immune to. Well I guess if that's all we have, we could just accept it as reality.
On the other hand, when the Story Teller (Erika) quit, the Analogue (Moeko) fell into a coma :
It wasn't clear Moeko was the spark for her characterization but rather a template of sorts, or just a name and personality that got filled with more power or however that works. It's not clear also if all characters and all stories are Analogue-derived, that some stories are derived from other stories, that eventually hit the sort of traceable source of that type (those types) of story. Tracing back to first Magical Girl rather than any one of them. Although that seems to fit, an Analogue (or somewhat so?) that powered a story, got sick, and didn't recover. Although I also got the impression the actual Moeko was already beforehand not like the portrayal, before anyone portrayed her. That rather seemed what Ririka was sort of saying. Either way, that it wasn't necessarily something that happened directly or only because of what Erika did, but maybe Erika made it worse. And I'm also at least partially considering Miho was there to diffuse the rush towards instability caused by the vacuum Erika created. But we might just as well consider Moeko is not recovering because no power from anyone portraying her.
The Story is paused here because of no Retelling taking place. It's not because of there be no fans : there are fans aplenty - but no one is writing it any more, for the Teller to relay it to the Audience. So it's paused. And so is the Anchor.
Seems the stable thing to do would be to have other stories created to give the audience another outlet, there are many stories and characters, even if some number of fans are still involved. As a number were shown to be with Erika, at the riot and the situation around it, some were there for her, others against her, and lots who didn't know who she was at all or had forgotten about her. But there are lots of Magical Girls, and new ones arrive from time to time. Even if some are told to go under the radar and not develop a following... Actually with Yuki, she is an actual MG so would be portrayed by somebody else, but in a different way. The characterizations are more flashy and flamboyant than the reality after all, no matter how good the reality is.
Now again in Miho's case, there has been no Retelling for a while, the New Story Update is a work in progress, but the Fans are keeping it alive, waiting for the emotions the new Actress (Kimiko) relays to them. And they expect, and want, mostly the Sadness, or so Miho thinks.
Except Miho is not a character or a characterization or pretend, she's the real thing. People don't directly play with her, the audience doesn't enter the story with her, and so on. You can't be back here. When an insider meets up with her and looks her up, he doesn't know how to act and sets about doing the undoable.
If she has turned into a character though, perhaps that's the source of all the problems. If she doesn't know how to act, she only knows how to be, then what happens to everyone else when they meet up with the really real actual. Problems. But if that's true, there's only supposed to be representations in fiction, why does she do so much out in MT. More so, why would there be emergency termination orders to deal with something that isn't, leading to the conclusion what's going on now isn't abnormal. Which given how many things are supposed to be true all at once when only one can be, either there's some sort of drastic paradigm understanding flaw someplace (and quantum insanity and a cessation of entropy, where multiple conflicting states exist at once etc) or most everything she says is false. Which of course we are unable to gather enough information to determine which is the one that's true.