darrin wrote: ↑
Thu Feb 22, 2018 6:06 pm
But that is specifically Miho's handle, whereas iffy I believe is asking whether it can be confirmed or not that the Endgames character had that same name (or if that is just yet another forum assumption).
Not so much asking as pointing out what's likely and fits. That is, our available "evidence" in comic is that her chat handle is m0h and the Endgame's character name is Moh. The chat handle isn't a point of contention, and there are (thanks to everyone) two uses of MOH in comic with what is pretty clearly letters, even if only one of them clearly refers to the Endgames character.
Beyond that, the setting of the game and the way the players treat it almost precludes the use of leet or handles, which also makes it seem that Pirogoeth and Largo (the Legionnaire) would have treated such as immersion-breaking never-do-this perfidy if somebody showed up with such a name. (You are the mighty and powerful wizard Tholth, ruler of your domain and all its lands! And Bӭtmnsӝy McSnǟgglebǟgs the thief wants ta join yer group to farm much phat loots lool.)
It does occasionally happen that a typo made in the comic is corrected in the transcript, but the comic itself is not necessarily corrected.
Yeah, when they're clearly misspelled or missing words or lacking punctuation in comic, obvious errors would get corrected as they're transcribed from comic. Sometimes the comics themselves get changed or cleaned up for these and other reasons, sometimes quickly when it's a larger issue. This case isn't quite that. Creating a name for the transcript when there wasn't one originally and continuing to use it, especially when comic is sparse or unclear on the spelling, stemming from all-caps font. That's no bad on the transcribers, and in this case it is not clearly or obviously an error in that comic dialog. Piro says Moh perhaps as a spoken version of the chat handle, a confused utterance of Miho's name, an interchangeable word used as a nickname, and yes a typo that was meant to be Miho.
But continuing on with that 'who knows what the name really is' thing, what Piro says in 1205 could be saying that chat handle out loud, might not be referring to the character. Or maybe he is and calling her by the character name or nickname. Just like in 1210 likewise Pirogeth might be 'normalizing' the chat handle, or like he calls her Ro at some point, Moh might be a nickname anyway. Perhaps even that whole scene we see in art is a analogy for Piro talking to Miho when she's "sick" at "hospital".
It occurs to me on further reflection that there is a possibly simpler explanation that covers the facts observed so far. It avoids the assumption that Fred made a typo in 1210; it does add the assumption that the transcript for 1210 is correspondingly incorrect, and possibly other complicating assumptions, so "possibly simpler" is maybe subjective.
Talking about the usages is good, but that's another issue really, because when Yutaka says m0h out loud, it's like lots of ELITE and said out loud as if there weren't purposeful misspelling and use of numbers in place of letters. (except for like the gag on the plane where they need somebody that speaks leet)
Writing Moh and having it in all caps and more difficult to transcribe isn't exactly a typo, but it would explain the transcribers being in error, especially if earlier on there was no prior usage and no guidance. After all, really we have the same issue with 1205 and 1210, we have to 'translate' the all caps MOH into a context. We are pretty sure it's not pir0g0eth and larg0 which seems it would make it not m0h either. It's being used as a name, which Moh fits everyone else's names. Even if neither 1205 and 1210 are actually anyone calling the character by name, and whatever is in the transcripts or not.
A major problem is that we may never get a suitable answer to iffy's question, unless Fred decides someday to show a flashback not just to in-game Endgames proceedings, but to Piro himself sitting at a computer playing the game, and with character speech or character-to-character chat rendered in some visible + legible way.
We'd guess if it wasn't an issue to fix then, and not a concern, who'd remember now. Indeed, if the character had no name for most of its existence, there might have been no answer until Piro says Moh (for whatever reason) in 1205. Perhaps that was a clear answer, and again in 1210, but nobody foresaw the caps issue. No checks for errors in transcription or checking the transcript matched something that was potentially only first established in those two comics. Which is also rather to say an answer now wouldn't be the same thing as an answer then, whatever it was or is. And of course, the confusion then might have been on purpose, which would mean an answer now might be more confusion on purpose. Although perhaps that's at least unfair, unduly pessimistic, paranoid and jaded.
Sorry for the length of this.
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NinjaDefenestrator wrote: ↑
Fri Feb 23, 2018 1:18 am
We...could just ask Fred? It’s a minor detail, not a significant plot point.
That's true, maybe it would be 'What, I have the name Moh in comic twice!'
If he or anyone remembers "the original name" at whatever point there was one, who knows, but IMO that doesn't seem like something anyone would have on their radar. It's Miho's character in Endgames, whatever its name, we know who it is. Although if Pirogoeth has a name, and of course Largo, why not Moh. But yes if it's minor, it's likely not important. Indeed how it is in the transcripts seems the only place it was and maybe that name was mostly alway up to the transcribers, be that the original ones or the later fixer uppers or both. I don't think it was anything predetermined beforehand or involving Fred. Perhaps if that's true, the people to ask about it would be the original transcribers. Although we'd likely need the original transcriptions and any information on if anything official was ascertained about what to call those who were unnamed.
Which as far as I can see, currently the first usages of naming the character are only in the transcripts, so there is no use in comic to know what or if there was a name to know. The transcripts don't use an FRP sort of name, but I guess a placeholder, what turns out later to be the chat handle? Originally in 2001 and 2002 what if anything those transcripts had or not I have no idea. But currently they are as can be seen in we have met the enemy
and the taste of failure
Although if we were fixing things in retrospect (not that it matters or is worth it) it would seem preferable those and any others missed and still incorrect would have the characters as Largo and Moh and Pirogoeth. For that matter, the transcript in 1205 should probably start out capitalized where it's not for example.
< Oh! Right! My Laptop!! When she told me about all those embarrassing pictures someone posted I figured Moh must have had them on her laptop like so many stupid people do and shouldn't have and maybe it got stolen or she lost it which made me wonder what happened to my
laptop which I hadn't seen in a while and even though there isn't anything
embarrassing on here I just suddenly got really worried that Largo- >
Although that's really only helpful in establishing that in 1205 he's talking about Miho, who played Moh, and that Moh in 1205 is one of: the spoken version of m0h the chat handle, simply a nickname, him calling her as the Endgames character's name. Or yes even if that Moh was supposed to be Miho there. But again, the transcripts, helpful and in such good shape mostly that they are, aren't necessarily the definitive answer for all things regardless of how correct and consistent they are or not.
cidjen wrote: ↑
Fri Feb 23, 2018 3:58 am
(and 1205 is the other instance of such usage of 'moh')
Which given that Piro is apparently referring to Miho herself there, isn't as clear as it could be. Other than it's looks to be all letters.
paarfi wrote: ↑
Fri Feb 23, 2018 12:54 pm
It's m0h, per Word of Fred. If he screwed up early on and wrote it as moh sometimes, then that kind of thing happens. Maybe we can pretend that was just the way they were pronouncing it. Or maybe Fred will pull a rabbit out of his behind someday and find some magical way to explain it with a future plot twist. But just to settle things here for everybody, it is m0h.
Although normally all that is official is what's in story comic, which is clearly MOH. Or maybe that doesn't matter, as we've been discussing.
Certainly the 'story comic thing only' isn't always true, and the name is just messed up in a bunch of places. After all, it's in transcript as the chat handle a long while ago, as we saw.
Where's the WoF from, did he tell you that the Endgames character name is officially m0h? I'm surprised Pirogoeth and Largo would have let him in the party with a game name like that. Or that we didn't get a forum appearance spelling it out, although given this discussion, maybe that's not so surprising it wasn't posted here.
But if Fred just confirmed the Endgames character is named m0h who are we to argue.