Could be worse. Imagine if a random girl appeared and it was confirmed that she was Piro's unknown daughter

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Could be worse. Imagine if a random girl appeared and it was confirmed that she was Piro's unknown daughter
Ahhh. We finally see the divergence point forming to half of MT fans hating Piro or loving him. Or a school days type of Ending where Miho is holding piros head and drifting off into the sunset because he sexes both of them. And seraphim holding the bloody knife after stabbing miho before she sets them adrift,because She wanted piro secretly.Ray Kremer wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2018 3:51 pmUgh. There's a forum, right? I remember coming to the forum now and again. Oh yes, here it is.
Aaaaanyway, I've long been saying (mostly to Fred) that I think if there's any future for Piro and Miho, whatever has happened, is happening, and will happen between Piro and Kimiko is necessary for him to reach a character growth point where he can actually deal with seeing past all the baggage and having a proper committed relationship with Miho. And also that if there's any future for Piro and Miho, Kimiko will still need some kind of closure on everything that's happened between her and Piro.
Of course if there is no future for Piro and Miho after all, then all the Piro/Kimiko stuff is just for its own sake.
Fred keeps insisting that he can't allow the character that's supposed to be based on himself to have a nice ending with either girl, but most of the time he doesn't end up listening to himself anyway.
It's kind of odd, in a way. Back many years ago Fred declared he was going to stop dragging things out and aim for an ending to the plot, and he later said doing so made the plot good again. (And it turned out aiming for an ending didn't get him there any faster either.) Well, Fred's efforts in turning Piro towards Miho came about because the Piro/Kimiko relationship was running out of steam. Both of them are too boring to move things along without the outside plot throwing disasters at them. And yet as a result of that, look at how far Piro/Kimiko has advanced versus how far Piro/Miho has advanced.
Although at this point it's still nearly impossible to get a read on what Kimiko's intentions are. Things were meta enough when she was being "both herself and Miho". Now that she's "stopped being her", what is the play? "That was fun, now go to her"? "Go to her, but if it doesn't work out I'll still be here"? "You have another choice to make now, her or me"?
Piro called her on it though, reminding her that any scene he played with her would be a "hell of a lot deeper than this". She was yanking his chain and for once (still my favourite sequence) he called her bullshit.
I recall @Paarfi telling me something re. what Fred saysRay Kremer wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2018 3:51 pm[...]
Fred keeps insisting that he can't allow the character that's supposed to be based on himself to have a nice ending with either girl, but most of the time he doesn't end up listening to himself anyway.
It's kind of odd, in a way. Back many years ago Fred declared he was going to stop dragging things out and aim for an ending to the plot, and he later said doing so made the plot good again. (And it turned out aiming for an ending didn't get him there any faster either.) Well, Fred's efforts in turning Piro towards Miho came about because the Piro/Kimiko relationship was running out of steam. Both of them are too boring to move things along without the outside plot throwing disasters at them. And yet as a result of that, look at how far Piro/Kimiko has advanced versus how far Piro/Miho has advanced.
Although at this point it's still nearly impossible to get a read on what Kimiko's intentions are. Things were meta enough when she was being "both herself and Miho". Now that she's "stopped being her", what is the play? "That was fun, now go to her"? "Go to her, but if it doesn't work out I'll still be here"? "You have another choice to make now, her or me"?
Wait did I miss something... You're implying that all Piro told Kimiko that evening above Megagamers was a lie and an attempt to whitewash himself? Is it the body language that gives it up? Confused, I am.
Very much this. It nicely zeros in on something I haven't been able to put into words - the idea that Piro needs to grow in order to choose. He realizes that he has to make a choice, but he loves both of them in very different ways. And I think Kimoko sees this and is trying to make him choose, not just for her sake, but for both of them. If either pairing is going to work, then closure with the other girl in the equation is necessary.Ray Kremer wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2018 3:51 pmUgh. There's a forum, right? I remember coming to the forum now and again. Oh yes, here it is.
Aaaaanyway, I've long been saying (mostly to Fred) that I think if there's any future for Piro and Miho, whatever has happened, is happening, and will happen between Piro and Kimiko is necessary for him to reach a character growth point where he can actually deal with seeing past all the baggage and having a proper committed relationship with Miho. And also that if there's any future for Piro and Miho, Kimiko will still need some kind of closure on everything that's happened between her and Piro.
I'm willing to admit I'm enough of a romantic to believe she should get some kind of happiness after all the horrible crap she's gone through. But rationally, I think M&P is a good idea, simply because Miho needs someone to call her on her BS, and he's the only one she would listen to.
Regardless, I'm with you on this one .NinjaDefenestrator wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2018 7:21 pm> maybe that is what he’s been the most afraid of.
Interesting. I have a vague idea that it might be opposite; that ever since Miho destroyer their prior relationship, Piro’s been afraid to accept any kind of reality beyond what’s right in front of him. “I haven’t understood anything since then.”
Ack. Must go, will edit to clarify later.
I know, and Miho didn't... (We could have saved them! I wouldn't put her through that if I knew...) Didn't change much of the outcome anyway.NinjaDefenestrator wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 11:25 amOh, one nitpick: Piro did know about Pirogoeth’s pregnancy when (s)he killed m0h. “Well, we weren’t exactly talking when I found out.” https://megatokyo.com/strip/1350
When you look at how badly he was mauled by Yuki just carrying him around, and what Dom has to say about his own experiences, I think this helps to explain how oddly the former MG's behave. Part of their learning curve is realizing just how easy it is to hurt - or worse - others. And looking at someone and realizing you did that damage could bring out pretty aberrant behavior (kleptomania and a love for sharp things!)
I'd expect that Masamichi does not know that Largo is mentoring Yuki. Meimi knows, of course, but she doesn't tell Masamichi about Yuki's magical girling any more than she has to [1036].Roamer wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 1:24 pmIt also improves my impression of Masamichi - not only did he survive the experience more or less unscathed, but he's determined to see that Yuki takes as little damage from her own learning curve as he can possibly arrange. Which may be why he's willing to have Largo around her. Largo's a first class loose cannon and not too tightly screwed together, but he protects his friends.
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It would be a good thing, please, if people did not spoiler the upcoming comic in the forum, at least until it has been posted to patreon. It has happened before, not badly and not often, and I've just let it slide. But to be more clear, I'll start mentioning it when I post announcements that Fred has started on the next comic.
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