The short kinda thing is that we don't really know how Piro feels about anyone, but he appears to be avoiding everyone. And in a way avoiding everything. He's more interested in whatever he's doing whyever he's doing it than he is becoming something else, be that a famous artist, a returning traveler, or the lover/boyfriend/fiancé/husband of anyone. And right now what he's doing up until and including 1509 appears to be going along with what's going on. Not being proactive or aggressive with much of anything most of the time. Not a surprise, he's normally rather low-key and such. Maybe a surprise given the circumstances, although that Q&A with Megumi set the stage pretty much, so maybe not surprising at all. Perhaps acting time is over, or maybe it's never going to end.
Roamer wrote: ↑
Wed Jan 31, 2018 3:01 am
I don't know. To me, Piro and Miho interacting sound like what they are - a couple experienced with each other, who do the things that most couples do. Get angry, fight, hurt each other - and help each other, even to the point of saving one another.
There's a familiarity of sorts there, which mimics a lot of "familiar relationships"; old friends, people you used to hang with at school, family members, spouses. Still, the bulk of Piro's actions interactions with Miho appear to be him trying to understand or trying to help or trying to work out how he went wrong before in whatever way he's thinking about it all, with little to no physical or romantic component. He doesn't treat Miho like he cares about how she feels about him, and she is kinda the same way. So while we might see that as some sort of "being exes" deal, if it's true, it doesn't appear there's going to be a return to it, but rather the removal of whatever is bothering him about it.
Currently, Miho doesn't appear to care about anything but whatever story is going on with the person she's interacting with now. She's off in the ninja compound.
For the two in the room. Piro seems to be focusing on being nice and proper to and with Kimiko. What more he's thinking about now or the future? I have no idea what that might be until he does something more than react to the situation in that way he has. Kimiko, it's still not clear she's not channeling somebody else. Or acting in some role. Or if she's just relaxing while not having to work on Idol sorts of things.
How aggressive does Kimiko get, how resistant does Piro get, we don't know. What else might happen that makes neither of those matter, Depends on who might show up that does, or what we cut away to.
cidjen wrote: ↑
Wed Jan 31, 2018 6:11 am
You seem to be treating the situation described above as x-or... either that, or the other, no middle-ground... I think, for various reasons, it's more fair to treat their history as if the feeling was at some point mutual... and having elements of all of the above...
Most all we know is some of what we learned from the laptop, how Piro reacted and Kimiko reacted to that, Yuki's thoughts and what was on it, the conversations between Piro and Miho at apartment and bathhouse about the past and such. Some see fire between Piro and Miho now, but it's not clear how much was there before, or if it's as extinguished as it appears to me. Just because we can't necessarily trust the perspectives of Yuki doesn't mean she's not correct in some ways; same goes for the perspectives of Piro or Miho or Kimiko or Largo or Erika, depending on who or what mix somebody agrees with. That question is which if any perspective we might latch onto might be anywhere near the truth. But I don't think it's either or, there's probably some elements of truth in pieces of a lot of it.
In some ways Piro seems to think he failed before, like that girl in the hospital he drew that the nurses made cut her hair, she was sick and dying and alone. Then whatever he was trying to do, and whyever she felt the requirement to, she nuked it all. Fear? Protection? Something else? Or why did he start chatting with her. Maybe the same reason she was in Endgames; she creates working stories in some medium. Creates and gets pulled into them herself too seemingly. Was it her or the story that removed it all to the point allegedly everyone forgot? Was she in Endgames to find people immune to her and it seemed promising but then went off into story mode anyway and so she quit? There's more than just Piro there, she makes it a point to interact with Largo at the CoE, at Ikebukuro, and then there's the way Piro punches Largo in the face really hard. Almost like that situation Largo explained to Erika about Endgames contained far more rivalry than we'd been lead to believe, but showing that there was more known than previously admitted. Whatever conclusions we might draw from that.
If this was all ordinary plain non-powered people involved, not an Analogue and whatever Piro and Largo would be classified as on the story scale, perhaps we could find real-world sensible answers more easily. Yet there is the context of an entity that apparently creates actual implemented stories out of thin air and two protagonist-scale participants impacting what could be expected. That it's not non-story random events happening to regular people complicates it infinitely.
We can say the character Piro was playing online had various feelings and carried out various activities with the character Miho was playing online. We don't know for sure what they were or he thought they were, and ditto for her. Same goes for now and whatever anyone feels or thinks about it. It's pretty clear though that there are unresolved matters that somebody wants to resolve, because there isn't an ending or finality. Sort of like Miho's current lack of being dead that the story foretells and demands. If we're wondering what the resolution is, of course, because there isn't one yet.
On a meta sort of level, "Tohya Miho" doesn't exist. Has no biology, no nation of origin, no numbers of years on Earth, no substance but what a story gives her; such concepts would not apply. Instead, apparently is a force of nature acting out roles. Whatever the truth of any of that, the various situations we've seen or heard of (Meimi, CoE, Pirogoeth and Largo the legionnaire, Erika, Junko, Piro and Largo, Largo, Ping, Yuki, Piro, Kimiko, Yuki and Yutaka, Junpei, and now the ninja female) are like that story about Kotone. The situation and circumstances, and how believable she is, and how others take it, are all created for and by the story. There's nothing to be killed in a hail of fire; Miho jumps out or vanishes to appear elsewhere later for somebody else. Seems to happen all the time.
That's probably all a big lie, but we still don't know if there's anything to be killed, since indeed currently, and whatever Miho is or isn't, in Megatokyo at the ninja compound, she's not dead.
And the story isn't over.