BetaCygnus wrote: ↑
Tue Feb 19, 2019 3:12 am
Conclusion, either way:
let's stop building AI / androids / sexbots for real. Whatever way you program them, they're a really BAD idea.
Well... not to sound pollyannaish, but that sounds a bit like folks who say nobody should have children because how could one bring children into this awful world of ours. Which is certainly a plausible choice, but if I'm trying to be a bit less pessimistic, the lesson I try to draw from the SF I've read is that you have to go into it eyes open, be aware of what you're doing so to speak. Cybermen, Borg, Daleks etc. BAD as you say; yeah don't do that. Data, Vision, Ping, HAL (if you don't order him to lie
), even Bender (if you keep his booze supply adequate and your wallet safely secured), then... perhaps a worthy goal to strive for. I'd say it's incumbent on the designer to be aware they might potentially be creating something not just "useful" but alive
, and that if they succeed, they need to be willing to take responsibility for that new life.
And then there's this
, where BAD idea doesn't begin to sum it up, and which will leave you screaming in horror and wanting to tear down civilization and go back to living in caves just to avoid that bad of an idea.
Tsukai wrote: ↑
Tue Feb 19, 2019 3:38 am
Now I'm sure you all are enjoying stroking your own... egos [...]
'Dr. Gero' here, as you've all delightfully decided to call him
Uh, no. That was a joke promulgated among the Dragonball Z fans, not "all". I for one have continued to call him the Old Man, and will do so until he is named in-comic. And if "not intentionally malicious" was intended as a big surprise, you clearly haven't been reading the full spectrum of what people have been writing about him. Different "strokings" for different... folkings as they say.
I disagree with the way this story arc ended [...] everyone is going to go 'uh, no, you're wrong, 'Gero' got what he deserved here and this is why
Who says it's ended? And yeah, I will say "no, you're wrong", because that is not what everyone
is saying. My own position has been that the scary thing about the Old Man is NOT any "bad action" he's yet taken, it's his ignorance of or indifference to the fact that he's created something alive, something which will be condemned to servitude / slavery by Sony. I'm not saying the Old Man "got what he deserved", I'm saying that the secure bubble he's been sitting in, where all his actions have been perfectly politically correct, not at all amoral, and as an added bonus promise to be quite profitable to his employer, has hopefully been popped for the first time. Best case, he will finally become aware that not everyone will approve of the consequences of what he and Sony have accomplished (or how they accomplished it); worst case, he will double down, secure in his belief that the natterings of a few "assholes" as you put it don't count for much compared to his employer's bottom line. Either way, this will be an interesting character well up to Fred standards, and this is very
far from "where [his] story ends."
My view isn't the exteme one in any sense either. maldrul just asked last page what basis there is to claim the Old Man ism't
correct in his worldview, or what's bad about what he's doing. Which may have surprised me a bit, but hey, from a legal standpoint that's almost certainly the case: Ping is
an accessory, designed and produced entirely by Sony, and thus owned in whole by Sony, to be disposed of as Sony sees fit. (Which I had also
said several times was potentially going to be a component of why the Old Man is scary: Sony would have absolutely ensured they hadn't done anything illegal. It's not like Ashe can call the cops or anything.
tldr: if you drop the "everyone"s there's not actually much left objectionable in your post; there's a broader spectrum of beliefs than you seem to be aware of or care about, and few if any of those beliefs have been absolutely ruled out yet by what's happened in the comic.
how would you feel if your restaurant server added an arbitrary 'this is the fee you now have to pay me for smiling all the way through serving you even though I'm having a bad day' charge to your bill
It's called a tip, and I'd feel that if I didn't want to pay it (barring egregiously bad service), I should have just gone to McDonald's.
the Old Man paid Junko for services describable as dates
I'll humbly point out again that it hasn't yet been established in-comic what the nature of the meetings between Junko and the Old Man was ("dates" or otherwise), what Junko was told prior to and during said meetings, and what if any money was exchanged as a consequence.