Ray Kremer wrote: ↑Tue Jul 25, 2017 12:59 pm
She always came back with the same heart problem that killed her in the first place. Naturally she would have sporadic issues leading up to failure. (Though we've seen she's capable of letting something else kill her first, too.)
Or so she says. Does she? What does story comic tell us about that. I mean, she in MT keeps talking about dying, and we in forum keep talking about her doing so. When though has that happened? Heart problems or not. Obviously though, we have to have her die in the first place for it to be from heart problems.
As she relates to Kimiko under extreme duress, The Story of Kotone leaves her broken, emotionally crushed and ripe for picking by any game player wandering along. Yet still, quite alive, and a condition that fairly plainly persists as recently as the current point in time. Between that origin and now, there are a lot of possibilities (we know of) that
could perhaps answer questions of when and how has she died. The adventures with Meimi, we don't know much in the way of details at all, so that's nothing. With Junko, from what we've been told, Miho just vanished. The collapse at school, she is rescued by Largo, but aside from a lack of death, neither of Ping or the nurse find anything wrong anyway. Yuki, nothing special. Piro, and Kimiko, yes, heart matters apparently - but they get her to the hospital where she gets a pacemaker; avoided. The TPCD et al are powerless against her. Junpei, he refuses to even fight back. This ninja here and now, tests her resolve and reaction and whatever else, but whatever else the test might have done at the end actually does nothing. So far, we seem to be batting 0 at Miho dying in a story in MT. If she had died, it would have been at the apartment, from heart problems.... Or from stress and a blow to the chest. But no dying, so it's from no cause.
We've got a lone exception potentially (death-wise) in Ed's story, and even that's not certain. Meimi senses something sad, Ed thinks she's dead, Piro and Kimiko and Yuki don't believe much is wrong (or know it, sooner or later), Kenji and Komugiko think of it in different ways but aligned that it is not (truly permanently) dead, at least in the prime material plane and in the usual sense of the word. So when we say it's not certain, we have seen Miho can jump out of the path of killballs in fractions of a second, and when Yuki finds her, Miho is very much not at all in the slightest dead. This all might establish that what Miho says about having to die is true, depending on what happened during the two weeks and on how death is defined. It also may be true like she also says, that death isn't either permanent or final. Yet it might not establish anything, since we don't know those details, just a big space lacking information.
But really, the emotions of such as The Horde being satiated by letting Ed think she's dead for two weeks? Seems hardly worth an Analogue's time. Further compounded by the ease at which she totally outclasses him every other time they spar. (Although even if Ed had killed her, it wasn't heart problems, it would have been murder by Weapons of Miho Destruction.)
This isn't saying Miho isn't telling the truth or that these things don't happen, but story comic seems unable to verify any of it. Or verifies she hasn't died from the cursed method of demise. While we do have a case of apparent heart failure and medical rescue of such, there's little or nothing more than that. So who can kill her and when and how, does she let them or not, and what is still the case? Or can she be killed at all by anyone ever, regardless of what she says about it or acts around it. Since seemingly nobody has yet to see her die, taking it for granted that she can (and does and has to do so) all seems rather a bit too proactive at this point in time. No matter how upset or not she gets about it.
It's difficult to tell if real people's words being used here in panel one establishes something approaching an existential crisis for the character or her enabler. Does it only mean Miho is indeed 'really serious' as befits a standard human with normal usual feelings? Or is it just something more like what the ninja and us are expecting to hear. Strong feelings one way or the other, still at this point we can only guess, based upon a mix of comic and not, mega and meta, perception and inference, what we read inside MT coupled with what we know out of it. However valid either is. Although that may make us wonder if they inside MT know of us, which is both impossible and certain to be, depending on how you look at it.
Hashbrown Potatoes wrote: ↑Tue Jul 25, 2017 3:17 pm
That does make me wonder if she may fear that she is still trapped in the loop? Her getting blown up by Dom shows her resurrection loop is not rigid and does not need a set story to happen. She could live a fulfilling and prosperous life, die at 100 years old, and wake up all over again as a teenager with a heart condition.
That was Ed, and there was indeed a story going on with him. Miho stops Ed from shooting Ping, he goes from ultraconfident to scared, then keeps trying to attack her even though he's well aware it's pointless. He runs the first time, she dances around him and makes him shock himself the next, she leaps out of the diner with passenger away from his weapons firing after that, then finally she purposely goes to the target area and stands there apparently waving at him. The next time we see her, Ed is taken out by others before Miho even knows he's around, and besides that story is over, she gapped to the ASF
Does he blow her up? Possibly, but not certainly. He fires at where she is... and then there's perception, assumption, conjecture, guessing, untill we next see her hanging around the Analogue Support Facility. The only people who we are shown that even know it even happened are Ed and Miho themselves. After the blast and over the next two weeks, Meimi reacts to something but it's all vague, Ping doesn't know where Miho is and is looking for her, Piro knows where she is already, Kimiko knows where she'll be, Yuki follows the directions from Miho to Piro and finds her, the staff at the CoE think and say all sorts of metaphysical things about where she is not in this realm.) But that she was blown up is not fully known as fact. And again, even if she's cursed to die, and was blown up and died, it wasn't due to her heart, and it wasn't permanent.
Maybe it's better to say we don't really know if she's died zero or infinity times between her creation and now.