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[1523] DLC may be required

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[1523] DLC may be required

Post by paarfi » Wed May 09, 2018 2:08 am

Fred posted the new comic to his Patreon. He'll post it to the main site and elsewhere probably tomorrow.
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Re: [1523] DLC may be required

Post by Roamer » Wed May 09, 2018 2:40 am

Okay, not on the Patreon yet, but that title seriously made me LOL. Am now picturing Ping:
A) Frantically looking for a good wifi signal so she can download it, or
B) Frantically looking for an exit based on the request made by her date.

Ping is just cute regardless of what she's doing.

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Re: [1523] DLC may be required

Post by Invisigoth » Wed May 09, 2018 8:17 am

Given that she's trying to save Junko and it's not clear that Junko would even want to be saved it's a bit poignant as well

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Re: [1523] DLC may be required

Post by eomdal » Wed May 09, 2018 8:41 am

Rehhh! Arnold! What should I do?

Yes, Ping may have made a bad assumption here about the actual relationship between Junko and Hipster Gendo. If so, this could end up causing a serious logic conflict once she realizes this because her programming is supposed to prevent her from interfering with an actual, consensual relationship.

Unless, of course, HG really is Ping's dev. Then, he's just probing to see what her libraries may have acquired and wants to see if she can improvise. She would have to, if she can: even if such DLC were available - which I doubt - she no longer has Largo's hackware and the wireless NIC was planned for the production model. She doesn't have one.
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Re: [1523] DLC may be required

Post by paarfi » Wed May 09, 2018 9:42 am

This is not going to end well, I think. :(
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Re: [1523] DLC may be required

Post by iffy » Wed May 09, 2018 9:56 am

She kind of starts out by overriding the distance subroutines. Curious.

Yeah but she's said she gets to choose; but seemingly had overestimated a lot of data gaps when she said that to Junko back around 1172. Seems not ever having run that sequence she has no frame of reference, just a vague idea of what is entailed in C, but she doesn't even have B. Normally an actual brain might could roll with it and try something new without prior basis; inspiration, synthesis. Perhaps... It seems so far she lacks that functionality, or at least without something more specific than 'an ambiguous request for more information'

He could just be being cautious or playful (or he's an android too haha) or even just being proper. But it certainly has the feeling he's somewhat laughing about her easily accepted suggestion, to see what she arrives at with maybe no way to get there. Finding out if she still doesn't have the further material, or knowing she doesn't and wondering how she might try and get around it. Certainly (?) though he'd be noticing her body language and other behavior regarding what (even if he thinks she's Junko) most would likely consider odd. Unless that's a SEP field. But still, he did contact Junko, so if he knows otherwise, it would seem reasonable to believe this was the goal, opening all sorts of ideas of how or why he'd purposely get Ping to come here instead.

But we still don't know what sort of time he's known Junko or under what interactions, if he did nothing other than contact Junko and had no knowledge of Ping. His behavior can easily be interpreted as knowing this is Ping though it seems.

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Re: [1523] DLC may be required

Post by TarsTarkas » Wed May 09, 2018 10:55 am

It could be simply that he wasn't fooled and is just playing along to see what Ping is up too or wants. He might even think this is some sort of game by Junko. The funny or sad part might be, that this date is not even a romantic (or more adult) one. Junko appears to be a woman of the world, so there could be many reasons for this date.

Don't know what this developer stuff is. He called Junko, not Ping.

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Re: [1523] DLC may be required

Post by darrin » Wed May 09, 2018 11:24 am

Bwa ha ha ha! :lol: :lol: :lol:

Holy shit Fred FINALLY gets revenge for this all those years ago. 8-) :lol:

Well played you magnificent bastard, well played.

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Re: [1523] DLC may be required

Post by NinjaDefenestrator » Wed May 09, 2018 1:46 pm

EW EW EW EW EW. ::flail::

I don’t think the old guy is Ping’s developer. I don’t get the impression that he’s about to rape her, but this still isn’t going anywhere good. She’s obviously uncomfortable.

It’s interesting to see just how Ping’s logic paths work, and how her separate personality interacts with them. She’s so innocent. “I’m doing this so Junko-chan doesn’t have to.”

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Re: [1523] DLC may be required

Post by Sackett » Wed May 09, 2018 1:53 pm

Ah yes... when you get that new strategy game, and after playing through the tutorial you decide to go ahead and play very hard mode on the what looks like the most "interesting" scenario. Otherwise it would be boring and too easy.

I mean, you're an expert at these types of games. What could go wrong?

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Re: [1523] DLC may be required

Post by darrin » Wed May 09, 2018 2:39 pm

NinjaDefenestrator wrote:
Wed May 09, 2018 1:46 pm
She’s obviously uncomfortable.
I think it's still an open question to what extent her discomfort is due to him (if he does turn out to be just a creep client) or whether it's "self-inflcited" (if he's not a creep client, and thus not fitting into any of her expected scenario paths).

Her deer-in-the-headlights look in panel 9 more than anything else reminds me of Kirk and Spock spouting crazy rapdifire illogical crap to get Nomad to shut itself down. His "What other stuff would that be?" could just be an EK douche trying to avoid walking into a soliciting-a-minor rap... OR it's still possible he is an above-board guy (that Junko was meeting for above-board purposes) who knows something about Ping, and is gently trying to avoid "shutting down Nomad" while she works through her little logic crisis.

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Re: [1523] DLC may be required

Post by BetaCygnus » Wed May 09, 2018 2:48 pm

:D

Oh wow, Fred, I love the way you’ve given us this first peek into how Ping’s programming actually works — except from outside hints while not yet in true playing mode…

I love this comic, and her thoughts around the flow chart are priceless!
The layout is very nice, too! This looks like it took a lot of extra planning on top of the usual work…

Thank you for this update! Excellent cliffhanger, by the way! 8-)

Again, though Ping is indeed innocent, I cannot help but think that this man has no improper intentions toward any girl — I still think he respects both humans and androids and… well… I would be sad if it wasn’t the case. Then I would have totally misread him… :|

Not that *that* would be anything new…

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Re: [1523] DLC may be required

Post by iffy » Wed May 09, 2018 5:07 pm

Odd thought, what if Miho didn't cut off the original online hijinks because of fear or a sense of protection, wasn't behaving before in the bath house due to lack of interest, and recently wasn't reacting like that because she was matching the environment and tone of the kids. What if all that is due to missing the content and context to actually understand or proceed. Like she's some sort of relationship savant.

Not that what's going on currently is necessarily here to establish something like that is true for Miho. It's just wild guessing at why we might be getting this apparent Ping background information currently. Still perhaps that might help explain some other things abut Miho, such as the constant prevalent vagueness and lack of details & specificity, her vanishing for some amount of time for various people or everyone, telling fairly different stories about who and what can happen to her or what she is to Piro and Kimiko, what she says and the way she says it to Yuki about Meimi during 1248-1257, the ' they never get very far' line in 1359, the seeming drive to have Kimiko take over and then distaste at it happening.

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I mean, you're an expert at these types of games. What could go wrong?
Nothing could possibly go wrong.

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Re: [1523] DLC may be required

Post by DrunkenSailor » Wed May 09, 2018 8:52 pm

I always get uncomfortable when Ping gets in over her head. Perhaps because I'm even worse at these relationship riddles than she is. Projecting and all that. But if things do go really, really bad, Ping has one big advantage over Ibara. She is able to lift and throw buses. And intelligent, honest, real gentleman weigh much less than giant turtles. For her to be in real danger she will have to make wrong assumptions about what is happening to her, or get locked in by some of SONY's little rules she's programmed with. Unless he IS a developer, I don't see that happening.

We only have it from Ibara that this guy is a gentleman, and she regularly participates in a dangerous hobby/profession and is a 17 year old with a dysfunctional home life. I doubt she's as infallible as she thinks. She may track down her cell phone and find Ping, only to see her gentleman has lured her something bad he meant for her, and Ping really HAS saved her bacon here. I mean Fred is almost certainly not going to give us an ending to this we expect. That wouldn't be Fred.

Anyhow, Fred has been writing a Visual Novel Game for MegaTokyo for some time. Ping is a PS2 accessory for just such games (pure ones only) though plays others as well. I would guess these decision trees are similar to the stuff he has had to create with the commercial software he's using to generate his game. When I peeked in at his Twitch stream and saw the comic minus the logic text, I pictured the text with green and white alternating lines old fashion line printer paper with sprocket holes along the sides. Showing my age I guess.

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Re: [1523] DLC may be required

Post by Rapierman » Wed May 09, 2018 9:33 pm

Okay, so Ping's brain went into high gear, and it knows that something is up, but it doesn't know what that is. She had an option which seems to indicate "intimacy" (as it understands it), but nothing further than that. She needs more info. This may require checking in with Ping's "home base" (for lack of a better term), but she's a bit conflicted (as far as Sony EVS units go) since she has no previous data to go on.

This is probably a point where ignorance isn't quite blissful.

EDIT: Damn, Fred, I had to blow the page up a little to read what Ping's thoughts were. Did you forget that my artificial eye lenses aren't as good as the ones I had to get replaced due to cataracts? :P

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Re: [1523] DLC may be required

Post by Teddy-Werebear » Wed May 09, 2018 10:44 pm

This is dancing on the precipice of going sideways with a hard quickness.
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Re: [1523] DLC may be required

Post by Roamer » Wed May 09, 2018 11:01 pm

Teddy-Werebear wrote:
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This is dancing on the precipice of going sideways with a hard quickness.
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Re: [1523] DLC may be required

Post by Roamer » Wed May 09, 2018 11:17 pm

Whoah, we are actually inside Ping's thought processes/programming. Very cool.

And "Get PIe" is a key determinant of branch paths. That makes it far, far more important than we thought. I forget - did we ever find out what Ping uses pie for? I know it came up in conversation....

But he brought up pie himself, unprompted. The odds that he was involved in her development somehow have just increased massively. Doubled? Tripled? He's let her take the lead at every step in this strip. It's like he letting her set the pace, but knows all the possible steps. A project manager for the group that designed her? He seems too confident and forward - and well dressed - to be a developer.

Regardless, Ping's now literally at the end of her branch choices. If she continues, the code is either going to loop back and start repeating Level A options - not useful - or move into areas that are a lot less well mapped, and may require Ping to make the choices herself. As she said back when she was discussing playing 'non-pure' games, those decisions are hers alone...and she doesn't seem to have any guide to them.

That's scary.

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Re: [1523] DLC may be required

Post by McTrooper » Wed May 09, 2018 11:43 pm

Is this Junko's sugar daddy? A client?
Or what if it's her Grandpa?

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Re: [1523] DLC may be required

Post by SpaceCobraJoe » Thu May 10, 2018 12:02 am

darrin wrote:
Wed May 09, 2018 11:24 am
Hmm, shouldn't the eighth box read

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Yep, -= not =- is appropriate there.

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Re: [1523] DLC may be required

Post by GreyWolfe » Thu May 10, 2018 2:43 am

SpaceCobraJoe wrote:
Thu May 10, 2018 12:02 am
darrin wrote:
Wed May 09, 2018 11:24 am
Hmm, shouldn't the eighth box read

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Yep, -= not =- is appropriate there.
I actually read it as ~60min, as in approximately.
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Re: [1523] DLC may be required

Post by BetaCygnus » Thu May 10, 2018 5:52 am

McTrooper wrote:
Wed May 09, 2018 11:43 pm
Is this Junko's sugar daddy? A client?
Or what if it's her Grandpa?
Her Grandpa: possibly… =)
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Re: [1523] DLC may be required

Post by cidjen » Thu May 10, 2018 6:17 am

Hmm...

is it ok to spill here what Fred has been saying on Twitch ...?

Fred called the hipster 'a f**kface' and was giving signals that he's the villain here. There goes my theory that he was just a sad character curing his sadness... bye bye... Ofc this may be still a 'fredherring', I am aware of that ;)

@GreyWolfe same here if you zoom in to that sign, it comes slightly waved like ~.

But then ~= actually means 'not equal' (in lua, matlab) and there is not ~= in C(++) (according to wikipedia at least) but ~() itself means 'bitwise negation'... hmmm...

Logic is haaaard :)

Why did she assign -60 minutes to the delay ... she doesn't know, that Junko can't 'just locate her' ...?
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Re: [1523] DLC may be required

Post by paarfi » Thu May 10, 2018 7:59 am

cidjen wrote:
Thu May 10, 2018 6:17 am
is it ok to spill here what Fred has been saying on Twitch ...?
Fred called the hipster 'a f**kface' and was giving signals that he's the villain here.
It's ok. But, as many of y'all know, Fred is a notorious troll in the chat of his drawing livestreams. He takes delight in making up misleading stuff, and he can be quite convincing about it. We call those "Fred herrings". It's up to y'all whether you choose to believe any particular thing he says about the characters and story there, but I'd caution against blindly accepting it as canon.
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Re: [1523] DLC may be required

Post by Projectmars » Thu May 10, 2018 9:32 am

paarfi wrote:
Thu May 10, 2018 7:59 am
cidjen wrote:
Thu May 10, 2018 6:17 am
is it ok to spill here what Fred has been saying on Twitch ...?
Fred called the hipster 'a f**kface' and was giving signals that he's the villain here.
It's ok. But, as many of y'all know, Fred is a notorious troll in the chat of his drawing livestreams. He takes delight in making up misleading stuff, and he can be quite convincing about it. We call those "Fred herrings". It's up to y'all whether you choose to believe any particular thing he says about the characters and story there, but I'd caution against blindly accepting it as canon.
As someone who has been watching Fred for years (since the uStream days), can confirm.

That said, he does date high school girls and seems perfectly fine with where Ping may be leading this. He’s definitely some kind of shady dude.

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