Re: [1521] Letting stuff happen
Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2018 1:12 pm
@ arimareiji , your He-Man Miho-Hater Club wagon wins this thread!
The whole situation back during Endgames (both in the game and in the chat) seems unresolved in a lot of ways, and somewhat unclear in both Piro and Largo variously retelling it all; what happened when? Miho hammering Piro versus Moh's betrayal of Largo and Pirogoeth (or Miho picking Piro over Largo; however that all worked) versus Pirogoeth exposing Moh.
There seems quite a lot of ignoring and misdirection and deflection going on about that and a lot of other things. Such as she doesn't explain what the ASF is, just a counter what it's not. More of the entire un-explanation sorts of behaviors. He's not really much better, but maybe being in a conversation with her makes him do the same sorts of things. And he's kind of like that too isn't he. All giving at least some impression neither of them really wants to be honest or resolve anything, but maybe it's meta and that's just the impression we're supposed to get.she completely blows off the question, responding only to the complete sidetrack issue of Phil actually being "a sweet guy".
Again just more example of reasons to not take much on face value about her. (Which I suppose is to be expected from what an Analogue seems to be.)I'm just saying her behavior in these specific incidents doesn't really do much to assuage my doubts so to speak.
Her behaviors can to large extent be perceived either way, depending on how locked into a narrative one might be, and what does that say about her behavior if it can be taken either way. Even if not, it shows a lack of her being clear and explanative. A behavior that continues at the bath house and beyond, even now.I totally get that the "manipulative" aspects of that scene are pretty much inversely proportional to the "she actually loves him" aspects.
Exactly, "I'll show you... what's up with me." A demonstration, which seems so far to be the least demonstrative one ever? Maybe not though, if the way it's going on is more complex and multifaceted than we might think it is.HakuRyoku wrote: ↑Wed Apr 25, 2018 7:09 pmI would just like to point out that Miho never said she would 'tell' Piro what was up with her, nor did she ever promise to tell him. In 1309 before they leave MegaGamers Miho says she would 'show' Piro whats up with her (if he left the store with her ofcourse).
Deliberate or not is about impossible to tell. Being unclear (deflecting, evasive, silent) can very well be a form of manipulation either way.
Doesn't seem something anyone that loves you (or likes, or even just sort of is okay with) would do, or the kind of behavior wanted from anyone. Especially a friend. Whatever kind.What I really hate about this scene though, is when Piro makes her feel sorry, she doesn't apologize. She neatly turns the feelings into an attack on Piro. Now tell me that's the kind of behavior you want in a girlfriend.
She's said what she hates about him is not being in touch with his own thoughts (well respecting his own feelings; 1278) yet she appears unaware her behaviors and this lack of detail (background explanation context) results in just these sorts of actions from others. Almost like she's going out of her way to arrange these sorts of situations and expected results while appearing to not have any part in it. (Which would be how Analogues are supposed to function?) Especially in this case, where what Piro does seems the exact correct thing to do in a situation she apparently was building up to with Kimiko and waiting for Piro to arrive to fire off. (Or yes maybe she just finally had that heart failure that all day had been leading up to, and it's Yuki's fault for putting Miho at the nexus of Kimiko and Piro for the failure to happen there.)Almost as good as her flipping out and calling Piro stupid in the hospital when she's never explained any of her resurrection/horde situation.
Miho's never quite able to explain much of anything.
She certainly, and from what we saw there is a reason she would think that, it did seem sure she'd gotten him killed (which she did attempt to get him away from it (1368) and we certainly see there is The Horde (1385 1386 1387 etc).after she thought she had caused Piro's death.
Yet we know even those with "only" Idol class powers are able to become their character more than convincingly. What about the embodiment of the source of some to all stories? She even gets adherents at the CoE who know better to veg out. Agreed though, Miho does seem actually in that state, it appears no act.I don't care how manipulative an actor you are, the expressions on her face in those panels practically define emotions. Panic, shock, fear, self-recrimination, resignation, anguish, and self-hatred, all there.
Good point, and does lend credence to the idea she is honestly actually fearful and panicking and so on at that time.And immediately after? The story inflicts a heart attack, to try and force her back into her mold. I think, just possibly, this is the point at which she decided to die - or be free.
To hear many tell it, she's supposed to be the place stories stem from, and to hear it from her, nobody is supposed to be directly interacting with the actual her. Emotionally she appears though to be whatever the story calls for at that point, from student falling down to indestructible arch-enemy to otherworldy termination target lapsing into mumbling in Irish.
Then she's an infinity of suspicious about herself : )She's suspicious of people hiding their true emotions
I think Miho already knew that to some extent... at the time Miho decided to start doing whatever she's doing. Before she shows upon on the train Anna Miller night. The night after the sleepover, at the diner. The trip to and at Ikebukuro. Whenever whatever happened, at the time she leaves to retreat to the ASF, she's apparently already decided these things. (Although I agree, in 1455-ish at hospital Miho doesn't seem to understand all of it yet.)in previous comic she's just realized now, what Kimiko's true power really is... an actress who is trained on amplifying emotions.
Perhaps she's not yet at maximum level, at least going by Largo and Erika knowing it wasn't Miho, Erika's comments on the playing dead, Megumi thinking it was Kimiko, and the fact the situation at hospital was still ongoing even after the primary participants had left.Just imagine what Kimiko could do, when she'd actually personally hate somebody
Even more so, not just to simply be overly nuanced in getting the vast differences in likely implications and usual inferences.arimareiji wrote: ↑Thu Apr 26, 2018 12:50 pmI feel so sorry for anyone learning English as a second language. Lovemaking is widely considered the worst curse you can wish on someone (i.e. "F**k you"). And "no offense", despite apparently meaning the opposite, is usually roughly synonymous with that curse.
Only if you replace the undercarriage with a heavy duty 4 wheeler ATV off road package, mount an old cloth easy chair in the wagon bed, and strap a salvaged Geo Tracker engine to the back of it for power... steering is fine as is.arimareiji wrote: ↑Thu Apr 26, 2018 12:50 pmIf we're talking wagons, I would have guessed one of these with "He-Man Miho-Haters Club" roughly painted on the side. (^_~)
We do not kill our own... that is what the reeducation camps are for... people are a resource.darrin wrote: ↑Thu Apr 26, 2018 12:14 pmWhat??? No eviscerations? No garroting? Tell me they didn't get rid of the acid bath, for crying out loud? Sheesh, if someone is "bored" by unending years of physically torturing a respondant while psychologically torturing them with the ever-present (yet endlessly delayed) threat of slow execution, well, that someone just does not belong in the torture-and-slow-execution business.
It almost sounds like the Inner Sanctum Strike Group needs an Unannounced but Purely Administrative and Not At All Anything to Panic About visit from the Inquisitorial Oversight Subcommittee on Suspected Heretical Activities. Not that _I_ would know anything about it of course, I don't even own a black face-covering hood with purple ribbons woven in the back.
Hah, indeed i originally meant it quite literally, and a shout-out to an old old movie I saw long long time ago (where this line was sort-of used)... I forgot the title.arimareiji wrote: ↑Thu Apr 26, 2018 12:50 pmI'm curious: Was it deliberate that in addition to the literal meaning, this also makes a beautiful metaphor for a relationship where unresolved issues are in direct conflict? (i.e. abandonment versus being smothered)
This will probably pain you greatly, but Miho wholeheartedly endorses this sartorial choice, especially the excellent color coordination between the shimmering black of the hood (which simply has to be a light velvet or layers of silk) and the dark purple of the matching silk ribbon.darrin wrote: ↑Thu Apr 26, 2018 12:14 pmIf Miho actually proffered such a defense, my response to her would be, "Yeah, semantic games. That's definitely the way to prove to everyone you're not a manipulative little minx."
What??? No eviscerations? No garroting? Tell me they didn't get rid of the acid bath, for crying out loud? Sheesh, if someone is "bored" by unending years of physically torturing a respondant while psychologically torturing them with the ever-present (yet endlessly delayed) threat of slow execution, well, that someone just does not belong in the torture-and-slow-execution business.
It almost sounds like the Inner Sanctum Strike Group needs an Unannounced but Purely Administrative and Not At All Anything to Panic About visit from the Inquisitorial Oversight Subcommittee on Suspected Heretical Activities. Not that _I_ would know anything about it of course, I don't even own a black face-covering hood with purple ribbons woven in the back.
Reeducation? Ye gods man, torture people with honest torture, not with years at a camp with endless hours of 'self-examination' classes and indoctrination at the hands of political officers!Teddy-Werebear wrote: ↑Thu Apr 26, 2018 4:59 pmWe do not kill our own... that is what the reeducation camps are for... people are a resource.darrin wrote: ↑Thu Apr 26, 2018 12:14 pmWhat??? No eviscerations? No garroting? Tell me they didn't get rid of the acid bath, for crying out loud? Sheesh, if someone is "bored" by unending years of physically torturing a respondant while psychologically torturing them with the ever-present (yet endlessly delayed) threat of slow execution, well, that someone just does not belong in the torture-and-slow-execution business.
It almost sounds like the Inner Sanctum Strike Group needs an Unannounced but Purely Administrative and Not At All Anything to Panic About visit from the Inquisitorial Oversight Subcommittee on Suspected Heretical Activities. Not that _I_ would know anything about it of course, I don't even own a black face-covering hood with purple ribbons woven in the back.
We prefer the sanitized and clinical term "safe spaces for proper thought."
Yeah, I get what you're saying. There's a real "siblings squabbling in the back of the car" vibe to it.Roamer wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 12:43 amRereading the comic, I had a sudden thought: NinjaGrrl and Yaku are going to be very good - maybe great - friends. Maaybe more than that, but serious, lifelong friends for sure. The Next Gen Piro & Largo? Not sure, but maybe.
Or I could be totally off base. But it feels right, you know?
That does happen a lot. For what it's worth I really did intend the "original" (-ish) meaning, that the following contains superficially offensive elements but that offense isn't the primary intent of the statement. In this case, given it was a response to a statement centered on an f-bomb, it was going to end up having a few more f-bombs (for symmetry, not just gratuitously), and I was not smart enough to think of an obviously non-offensive or neutral way to express that. But I won't be surprised (or offended... meta-offended?) if that's not believed; so, sorry if it was offensive to anyone.arimareiji wrote: ↑Thu Apr 26, 2018 12:50 pmI feel so sorry for anyone learning English as a second language.
[*]And "no offense", despite apparently meaning the opposite, is usually roughly synonymous with that curse.
Oh that part I was still talking about being a Miho thrall, not the bandwagoneer part.Teddy-Werebear wrote: ↑Thu Apr 26, 2018 4:59 pmWe do not kill our own... that is what the reeducation camps are for... people are a resource.
More like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvjEkHcB32s
Well the second thing that came to mind after Burning Man was this little bit but yeah, I get the general idea I think.Teddy-Werebear wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 1:30 pmMore like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvjEkHcB32s
Of which I did a next generation kinda rescript, didn't get a huge response at the time but it let me do a lot more oddball future speculation than I usually allow myselfInvisigoth wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 2:24 pm[In 1068] we discover that Megatokyo is a virtual world running in the unMod universe...
Well yeah, but based on my headcanon Miho is actually a genderflipped antichrist following a carefully-orchestrated plan to tempt Kimiko Jesus into sacrificing her life for Piro Judas.Invisigoth wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 2:24 pmBased on the revelation in [1068] Recap Episode: Itz 5howtim3! https://megatokyo.com/strip/1068 we discover that Megatokyo is a virtual world running in the unMod universe rather like Endgame exists in Megatokyo I've come to the conclusion that both Kimiko and Miho are both characters belonging to Piroko's boyfriend and occasional gunshot victim Moh. This explains a lot about a number of connections between those two and explains panel 3 in that strip where Piroko doesn't know why Miho would help Kimiko.
We also know from comments that Fred has made on Patreon that Erika and Largo are married in unMod. That makes their antics in MT a lot funnier to me.
So some of this is verifiable by following up omake references and some is my conjecture. YMMV TWAGOS
Hey, you'd better not be disagreeing with me. If you disagree, I'll be forced to repeatedly contradict you with my personal feelings as evidence, dismiss or ignore any evidence you present, and twist any even-slightly-ambiguous wording into pretzels to justify ad hominems.
Sorry, I couldn't get the seat to fit, so I had to substitute.Teddy-Werebear wrote: ↑Thu Apr 26, 2018 4:56 pmOnly if you replace the undercarriage with a heavy duty 4 wheeler ATV off road package, mount an old cloth easy chair in the wagon bed, and strap a salvaged Geo Tracker engine to the back of it for power... steering is fine as is.arimareiji wrote: ↑Thu Apr 26, 2018 12:50 pmIf we're talking wagons, I would have guessed one of these with "He-Man Miho-Haters Club" roughly painted on the side. (^_~)
Bravo.Ningen wrote: ↑Sat Apr 28, 2018 6:17 pmSorry, I couldn't get the seat to fit, so I had to substitute.Teddy-Werebear wrote: ↑Thu Apr 26, 2018 4:56 pmOnly if you replace the undercarriage with a heavy duty 4 wheeler ATV off road package, mount an old cloth easy chair in the wagon bed, and strap a salvaged Geo Tracker engine to the back of it for power... steering is fine as is.arimareiji wrote: ↑Thu Apr 26, 2018 12:50 pmIf we're talking wagons, I would have guessed one of these with "He-Man Miho-Haters Club" roughly painted on the side. (^_~)
WowInvisigoth wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 2:24 pm... Kimiko and Miho are both characters belonging to Piroko's boyfriend and occasional gunshot victim Moh. ...
I would include Sayuri and Meimi(!) in there as well, but yes, Megumi is my top pick. Heart, loyalty and guts - a rare combination.
If it had to be one of the virtual alternative universes we've seen, I think Full Megatokyo Panic would be more fun. Not only is Erika wearing her Clannad outfit, any universe where the world announces combat combos and awards circumstance bonuses gets my vote.Invisigoth wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 2:24 pmBased on the revelation in [1068] Recap Episode: Itz 5howtim3! https://megatokyo.com/strip/1068 we discover that Megatokyo is a virtual world running in the unMod universe rather like Endgame exists in Megatokyo I've come to the conclusion that both Kimiko and Miho are both characters belonging to Piroko's boyfriend and occasional gunshot victim Moh. This explains a lot about a number of connections between those two and explains panel 3 in that strip where Piroko doesn't know why Miho would help Kimiko.
We also know from comments that Fred has made on Patreon that Erika and Largo are married in unMod. That makes their antics in MT a lot funnier to me.
So some of this is verifiable by following up omake references and some is my conjecture. YMMV TWAGOS