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[1521] Letting stuff happen

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[1521] Letting stuff happen

Post by paarfi » Sun Apr 22, 2018 1:06 pm

Fred posted the new comic to his Patreon. He'll post it to the main site and elsewhere probably tomorrow.

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Fred's mom has been in poor health for some time, with dementia and other issues. Apparently she'll be going into hospice care this week. Fred has been dealing with all the issues around that (and some other things) these last couple of weeks, which is why this comic has taken a little longer to get done.
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Re: [1521] Letting stuff happen

Post by paarfi » Sun Apr 22, 2018 1:10 pm

Yaku and Ninjagrrl are hilarious there.

And yay for Miho.
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Re: [1521] Letting stuff happen

Post by arimareiji » Sun Apr 22, 2018 1:47 pm

I sense a rather ugly episode of Cheaters in the making. :lol:
(I kid. I think Miho has more class than to forcibly burst in, if Piro is already half of The Beast With Two Backs.)

Just a weird thought: If Yaku bites someone, do they sprout a tail every full moon?

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Re: [1521] Letting stuff happen

Post by Invisigoth » Sun Apr 22, 2018 1:48 pm

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Re: [1521] Letting stuff happen

Post by arimareiji » Sun Apr 22, 2018 2:00 pm

Another random weird thought: If Yaku knew about recent events, she could just write all three of them sharing a tub.

(Half serious question, half awful pun: Does Japan have "soap operas"?)
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Re: [1521] Letting stuff happen

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Re: [1521] Letting stuff happen

Post by paarfi » Sun Apr 22, 2018 2:30 pm

arimareiji wrote:
Sun Apr 22, 2018 1:47 pm
I sense a rather ugly episode of Cheaters in the making. :lol:
(I kid. I think Miho has more class than to forcibly burst in, if Piro is already half of The Beast With Two Backs.)
Yes, but I think it's more than that. I think if Piro made an informed decision that he wanted to be with Kimiko, then Miho would accept it. But Yaku's point is an excellent one. Miho can't just let PxK happen by default without her making an effort to keep him. She's not going to do that by bursting in on them in flagrante delicto. Instead, like Miho says, she needs to talk to him.
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Re: [1521] Letting stuff happen

Post by Invisigoth » Sun Apr 22, 2018 3:30 pm

Piro may not be making his decisions entirely uninfluenced. Kimi is strongly tapping into Miho which I think is why she is exceedingly forward at this time.

Miho is an adventuress who co-opted and essentially took over a pirate crew after being shipwrecked and snatched from the ocean afterwards. Kimi is tapping into that

Piro doesn't stand a chance because his natural feelings for Miho are being subverted

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Re: [1521] Letting stuff happen

Post by GreyWolfe » Sun Apr 22, 2018 6:03 pm

I think I hate Miho right now. She made the right call, then did a 180 in nine panels.

Leave him alone. He'll be available to talk...later. He's busy right meow.
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Re: [1521] Letting stuff happen

Post by NinjaDefenestrator » Sun Apr 22, 2018 6:30 pm

Probably the result of not knowing where her story’s going for the first time in two hundred years. This might be the first time she’s made a different choice since then.

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Re: [1521] Letting stuff happen

Post by shadowrider » Sun Apr 22, 2018 9:47 pm

*Sigh* Yaku may have some points, but Miho's indecision, yet turning to that decision that she does want to see Piro. Make her call, though I suspect Miho would rather go by, make her call and say, then drop in on Piro, and Kimiko. Also, it might be better for Miho to take the helm of writing her story path, then allowing a thirteen year old, or others control it.
I agree that Piro my not be making the right decisions under duress. In that he may or entirely not be uninfluenced in some way.
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Re: [1521] Letting stuff happen

Post by Liminaut » Sun Apr 22, 2018 10:14 pm

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I agree that Piro my not be making the right decisions under duress. In that he may or entirely not be uninfluenced in some way.
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I suspect that a naked showering Kimiko would be highly influential on Piro's decisions.

I.E., I don't see a lot of reason to to go to "Piro really loves Miho and Kimiko is playing Miho, so that's the real reason Piro is falling for Kimiko". Piro cares about Kimiko, and Kimiko cares about Piro, and they are naked in a love hotel. That's pretty much all the explanation necessary.

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Re: [1521] Letting stuff happen

Post by Liminaut » Sun Apr 22, 2018 10:35 pm

A few points: way back when (there's not a specific comic for this) it was made pretty clear that Kimiko was quite a patron of love hotels, and often was very forthright is going after men (and then stomping their hearts kimi-zilla style). The point being I don't think we need to spin a story about how "Kimiko isn't in her right mind, she's really being Miho". She's quite capable of being forthright on her own. Besides, the decision to get into the shower was a decision to stop playing Miho and start being herself.

Piro and Kimiko are both human, despite them both having insane Emotional DPS stats. Miho isn't human, not even close. Piro and Kimiko can share a life; whatever path Miho takes, I can't see it being something a human can share as a true equal. In other words, I think Piro is making the right decision in choosing Kimiko.

If MIho suddenly intrudes on PxK at a stunningly awkward moment, I suspect that it won't go the way Miho plans. After all, Kimiko does have outstanding Emotional Attack skills. Then again, getting Piro to White Knight and save Miho from a rampaging Kimizilla might be the only thing that gets Piro back into Camp Miho.

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Re: [1521] Letting stuff happen

Post by Liminaut » Sun Apr 22, 2018 10:53 pm

I will say the sentence construction "That's not something I'd do!" is very interesting. It's the way one would talk about a character in a story that one really doesn't have a lot of control over. That way of talking about herself is appropriate for Miho, if Miho was trapped in a story that she had no control over. It looks like at the end of the comic Miho has finally figured out that she has choices now.

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Re: [1521] Letting stuff happen

Post by Rapierman » Sun Apr 22, 2018 10:57 pm

Suddenly, I've got a visual of "Is your wife a goer, eh?"

So, assuming that Miho is referring to Piro, what does she want to talk to him about?
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Re: [1521] Letting stuff happen

Post by Roamer » Sun Apr 22, 2018 11:43 pm

Note that Miho isn't saying "I want to break in on them right now, damn the consequences." She's not stupid - although she looks about as conflicted right now as we've ever seen her - and busting in on them while they're *cough* occupied will have no good result. "I want to see him" can mean almost anything. Truly, I don't think she knows what she wants herself now. For the first time in over a century she's off-story, and it's left her rattled and unsure of her course. Invisigoth is right though - she's an adventurer, and she's going to confront the unknown. Even if that adventure is having a boyfriend for more than five minutes. ;)

*Edit* Gotta say, though, that look on her face in panel 8 look a lot like "Well, I should at least say goodbye.." Hope I'm wrong. As the polar opposite of our Teddy, I just wanna see her reach the good ending.

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Re: [1521] Letting stuff happen

Post by Teddy-Werebear » Mon Apr 23, 2018 1:39 am

By ham, Miho is one selfish succubus deserving of punishment.

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Re: [1521] Letting stuff happen

Post by cidjen » Mon Apr 23, 2018 5:35 am

Hmm,

that makes me think...

can ninja teleport straight to a person without knowing where they are exactly ? Previous instances (Junpei taking Piro in search of Erika) suggest that no, they can't... so at best, they can land at the room where Grandma is... (room with video feed... and Miho may change her mind again... ), or at the entrance, where Megumi is camping, and she may aggravate the situation... either way Seraphim may end up being the last line of defense. Which could be interesting :)

This could really, really still go anywhere :) Including Enji, ninja-ing Piro out of the hotel room, to the nija compound and dressing him in a kimono... like newlyweds in shoujo ;) but oh, poor Kimiko, if he leaves her alone like that... sorry, could not resist this vision.
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Aside from that, I somehow doubt PxK rubbing against each other would go much further than some passionate embracing - remember he fell through the ceiling carrying her, landed on a not-soft heap of rubble with where the back ends, and then he spent several minutes with his back rubbing against the shattered car window shards - they may not be in his skin and the tshirt may have prevented some greater injuries, but that back of his sure looked painful, once the adrenaline subsides; so there is not much space she can embrace against without causing pain... or ruining the bed sheets... and full on smexing face-to-face while laying sideways, is not easy when you're experienced, and pretty darn impossible if you're not :) just a technicality but still. ('cause I somehow greatly doubt they would like to begin this relationship 'doggy-style' or by 'spoon'....) We don't really know how 'experienced' Piro really is, either... :)
@Luminaut exactly, Kimiko is taking Piro over by storm, she's been hiding her own feelings long enough :) What I think Miho felt, is what leaked through Piro's transmitter, back to her.

(Kimiko btw, may be exceptionally happy to do whatever it takes right now, because she was going to tell him he'd be getting The Job he hoped for at Lockart... )

Miho's "that's not something i'd do" feels like a direct descendant of Piro's "such a bold request was not like me"... and I feel the vibes of Piro's "I want to talk to her" (after AMTD) in Miho's "I want to see him" now...
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Re: [1521] Letting stuff happen

Post by Olba » Mon Apr 23, 2018 8:43 am

The range of facial expressions on Yakugashi here is amazing. She goes from inquisitive to bored to surprised to angry to really angry to confused/scared.

Part of me wants to swap out the pineapple for a tiny crown. Yakugashi-hime! Also, I suppose biting is a thing that all foxgirls do. Need to make a note of that, could be useful in the future...

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Re: [1521] Letting stuff happen

Post by iffy » Mon Apr 23, 2018 11:42 am

How much is Kimiko (who quit acting like Miho, which she apparently had been doing on purpose rather than being forced into it by story) herself. How much is Piro settling for what is rather than what he really wants, whatever those are. At the least, the two have been working on getting a collaboration on Sight going, they have had a romance thread since at least the beer garden, fighting and making up and falling asleep in each other's arms. That they're dating is common knowledge to some. Even if "Kotone" has been intruding on the pace of the progress or the questions and doubts some have. He's been working at getting better about things, she's been trying to help him, both apparently for the other. That they were potentially going somewhere isn't a new unheard of thing that wasn't there at all to be surprised about. How far does it go, we have to wait and see.

All that aside, here at the Ninja Compound in Junpei's room, Miho hasn't been too much holding herself in sway to what these girls say and do, humoring them even. It's already morphed from Yaku writing a new story to being part of a new story that's writing itself. Enjii looks to have switched directions as well. Has Miho simply realized the possibilities and potential are open. Or has she only started putting things into operation now that the girls have become absorbed.

Maybe it doesn't even matter what Miho was working on getting to happen, or if she wasn't actually attempting anything. Either way a lot has happened since earlier, a day a week a month. Although we still have to wonder about getting both Piro and Kimiko to the apartment yesterday so she could die in front of them. Generally letting everyone else take action up to this point. Before, others having the ideas and making the choices, now, she directly says she wants to take action - and what that action is. (Not exactly why of course, but you can't have everything.)

Miho wants to talk to Piro. Apologize for misusing and abusing him in the past, unveil something about Endgames, give her actual origin story, finalize the explanation of her demonstration, profess her undying love, forgive him for not letting her die, tell him something none of us know; whatever it is. How nice. With Yaku and Enjii in tow apparently, for reasons. How to get there in what amount of time. Maybe not quickly.

Going by Junpei, Ninja don't so much teleport as they jump in a way that looks a lot like flying. Or they fly. Either way not instantly. It's unknown if Enjii has skills like that, worse, better. (If she's a pretending grandma probably better, if she's an inexperienced sibling probably worse. Either way not likely different.) She seems slight, maybe only enough power for herself, maybe another, two more might not. Yaku may just call out for Junpei either way. Then there's Miho who we don't have much of a reason necessarily to expect she can't still jump or gap or what have you. Why Miho would need either of these two to get there, or why they'd all have to go, guess we'll find out.

At least Miho appears to have finally taken back some amount of overt control, made a decision, got that silly dear in the heedlights sort of look off her face.

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Re: [1521] Letting stuff happen

Post by cidjen » Mon Apr 23, 2018 12:32 pm

iffy wrote:
Mon Apr 23, 2018 11:42 am
Miho wants to talk to Piro. Apologize for misusing and abusing him in the past, unveil something about Endgames, give her actual origin story, finalize the explanation of her demonstration, profess her undying love, forgive him for not letting her die, tell him something none of us know; whatever it is. How nice.
That's going a tad too far IMO. Or you're being sarcastic here, I can't tell reliably.
Nothing is really stopping Miho fro (ab)using her power to use storyline gaps to slip through and go instantly where she wants to... if she's determined enough.
And for better or not, she may actually encounter the happy couple just talking, and Piro's conscience also present and visible to both of them (in lingerie, no less). For reasons outlined previously.
What is she going to tell then, and what to who exactly?
Also remember, 2CY ago, Piro wasn't really that emotionally experienced - this might have been his first serious emotional encounter, we don't know really but if he wasn't, this must have been really bad and he's just talking it down... not sure what Miho can do about that, really...
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Post by Invisigoth » Mon Apr 23, 2018 1:24 pm

Over time there's been a lot of complaints about Miho being "Manipulative"

After rereading quite a few strips, realizing that at the beginning Miho was attempting to get Ping to serve as her surrogate, it's become plain to me that all of Miho's manipulations were in an attempt to put obstacles between herself and Piro.

With this strip she's finally admitted openly that she does in fact want to see him.

I don't necessarily know that what she means is that she wants to interruptus any coitus that may be happening but that she want to start "Seeing him" as in "So, are you seeing anyone now?"

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A couple of additional strips where it's demonstrated that the whole thing between Piro and Kimi is based on something other than genuine attraction

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Post by iffy » Mon Apr 23, 2018 3:26 pm

cidjen wrote:
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That's going a tad too far IMO. Or you're being sarcastic here, I can't tell reliably.
I don't think it's too far and I'm not being sarcastic. Although a bit flippant by saying it's nice, but that's in jest.
There are a lot of things Miho might want to talk to Piro about, none of us know for sure what. That's just a list of some things it could be, although certainly has perspective and subjective that not everyone agrees with. I don't even agree with all of it, at least as far as all being as likely. And certainly it's not exhaustive or detailed.
What's nice is she decided something and isn't just letting the others do whatever they want. And they get to participate as well. I am curious as to where it goes, I am interested in finding out if Miho is free from the constraints of the old story and can actually say something informative and direct for a change. Although shoving it all another direction would be fun too. Either way, going from passive back to active is nice. Or at least I think it is.
Nothing is really stopping Miho from (ab)using her power to use storyline gaps to slip through and go instantly where she wants to... if she's determined enough.
Unless she no longer has the capacity, or unless this is more for those she's with or more for the story and she won't.
And for better or not, she may actually encounter the happy couple just talking, and Piro's conscience also present and visible to both of them (in lingerie, no less). For reasons outlined previously.
Depends on how long went between after panel 5 of 1513 and the start of 1514, how long it's been to get to 1521, how long it takes to show up at the LH, who ends up getting there. Assuming they actually go.
What is she going to tell then, and what to who exactly?
We have quite a bit to guess about.
Also remember, 2CY ago, Piro wasn't really that emotionally experienced - this might have been his first serious emotional encounter, we don't know really but if he wasn't, this must have been really bad and he's just talking it down... not sure what Miho can do about that, really...
In its entirety it's only been a couple of months in MT though. With a lot of that the rather uneventful chapter 0, and at least a week of status quo while Miho is hiding. And it's been said Piro wasn't necessarily inexperienced with real. Regardless of the amount and nature of his baggage. He pretty clearly needed a conscience at first though, so maybe he was worse off than Largo. It's unclear how much he remembered of Miho (yet we know he was still keeping up his Endgames account if that means anything). He seems to have buried it all deeply or even forgot, although I have a sneaking suspicion he had a reason to take him and Largo to MT and that was more than just his professed search for someplace he fit and felt familiar.
We do have situations where Piro has fairly demonstrated he is willing to twist the truth for his own purposes (how he reacts to Erika's suggestions of tutoring art, how he purposely tries to cover some things by mistranslating Largo, his explanations of Endgames and those chats to Kimiko) but we can chalk some of that up to fear, embarrassment, and self-preservation, rather than to premeditated intent or "evil". But besides, what would anyone expect for an Analogue weaving a reality for a specific otaku, online or not? We've seen her methods and the reactions to them. Which Kimiko not only seemed to understand, but even support, once she was able to seemingly come to an understanding about her own behaviors after Anna Millers, which we might or might not attribute any of to Miho, and whatever happens later at Ikebukuro.


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Over time there's been a lot of complaints about Miho being "Manipulative"
Seems to be what she is and does though. Spectacle deliberate or haphazard, perturbation unfeigned or spurious, and otherwise.
After rereading quite a few strips, realizing that at the beginning Miho was attempting to get Ping to serve as her surrogate, it's become plain to me that all of Miho's manipulations were in an attempt to put obstacles between herself and Piro.
A lot of them do look that way. For whatever her reasons (or no reasons at all).
There have been many situations since that suggest she doesn't want him to be destroyed by eldritch forces, but maybe that's just code for her not wanting to be vulnerable or to open her heart (in the figurative ways).
With this strip she's finally admitted openly that she does in fact want to see him. I don't necessarily know that what she means is that she wants to interruptus any coitus that may be happening but that she want to start "Seeing him" as in "So, are you seeing anyone now?"
Even if she wasn't at all ever in the slightest working to matchmake, seems a rather odd line of questioning to bring up. Especially now. Maybe though it's the 'too late but still do anything to win back and maybe even succeed' sort of trope. One never knows before it happens if she jumped out or was diffused into individual molecules.
528
This one seems to more demonstrate Kimiko is, at that time, about as unsure of herself and a relationship with a great guy as Piro is about himself and a relationship with a great gal.
514
The evil sister playing with Piro's mind doesn't seem to me particularly indicative of much. Although the impression I got from him was he was sort of agreeing about it being not so practical, but hadn't necessarily had any change in feelings. And it is impractical for a lot of reasons, still is. But at least this one doesn't appear yet to be impacting Masamichi's budget.... Actually just the recent CoE and Hospital arcs might just have broken the entire TPCD budget for decades. An ETO can't be cheap either.
Still all in all, if the point is Piro is self-doubting and unsure, there's many other examples of that beside this one.
A couple of additional strips where it's demonstrated that the whole thing between Piro and Kimi is based on something other than genuine attraction
Or he was being hampered by his birddogging it about his imaginary lives in Endgames and chat, and she knows she can get overly aggressive, and both are hesitant types by nature most of the time apparently, and neither wants to get hurt (again). Maybe that's the price we pay for seeing only partially into other people's inner thoughts they're not even clear on themselves.

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Re: [1521] Letting stuff happen

Post by Ningen » Mon Apr 23, 2018 6:15 pm

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Re: [1521] Letting stuff happen

Post by cidjen » Mon Apr 23, 2018 6:25 pm

iffy wrote:
Mon Apr 23, 2018 3:26 pm
We do have situations where Piro has fairly demonstrated he is willing to twist the truth for his own purposes [...]
So yes... Piro can lie, for his own purposes, how shocking... but also uses that in favor of Largo (through his Game Of Static). Who really thinks what he says and rarely is seen lying. Somehow accidentally, this turns out in Piro's favor (or because Erika just wanted Largo out of the way of Kimiko and Piro making up after the Train Disaster). So it's Piro's conscious decision when he wants to colour up the truth, and for what purpose. Though the result could have been either way, really. They could have been shipped out of Japan by plane by Erika, whether they wanted it or not... but she did not do it.

re. Piro's experience, there is a scene, where Largo notices, that Piro talks with not just ONE girl, and did not dissolve into a puddle of ooze (620), from Largo's expression we can sort-of tell, it's not Piro's usual setup. So Piro could not talk to girls calmly before... so could not get experiences. Before he started to be hit in the head with stuff. Anyone counted how many times did Piro get hit in the forehead ... ?

What I mean is, Miho would need an act of extraordinary luck, superhuman intervention, commit a crime or a major twist in the story, to get Piro back where she wants him... it still doesn't mean, that he does want her back. What happens to Miho, in his story ?
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