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[1481] Steamy Appreciation

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Re: [1481] Steamy Appreciation

Post by arimareiji » Fri Jun 23, 2017 9:07 am

Teddy-Werebear wrote:
Thu Jun 22, 2017 2:55 am
I doubt method actress Kimiko has switched from action adventure to cream lemon hentai story mode.
I hope this doesn't unduly offend anyone, but imo: Method acting is best left to eccentric geniuses and the shallow pretenders who imitate them. Kimiko seems more like a budding genius of heart, not technique.
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My apologies that the theory does not contain blowjobs, but despite what they taught you in undergraduate physics, not every theory can contain blowjobs.
Now that that's settled, do you have any data on whether hell is exothermic? Recent plotline suggests it. (^_~)
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Re: [1481] Steamy Appreciation

Post by darrin » Fri Jun 23, 2017 11:26 am

arimareiji wrote:
Fri Jun 23, 2017 9:07 am
Now that that's settled, do you have any data on whether hell is exothermic? Recent plotline suggests it. (^_~)
No idea, but it is certainly about to all break loose, that's for sure. :D Plus Megumi seems to have that "in a handbasket" look about her...
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Re: [1481] Steamy Appreciation

Post by iffy » Tue Jun 27, 2017 3:47 pm

Ray Kremer wrote:
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then they get out of sight and what happens, Kimiko not only doesn't drop the act, not only does she not explain a damn thing to poor confused Piro, but she seems to be lost in la-la land. Even though the performance was supposedly primarily for the fanhorde's benefit, it's not over despite them being out of view.
So, very similar to Miho's behavior most of the time?

The role (whatever it actually is) is paramount, the "explanations" uninformative and lacking in details, and both motives and goals opaque at best. Although except mostly (at least at one point) Miho always seemed at least to have a pretty close idea of what was generally going to happen next, and/or had plans to shove the plot a general way regardless of what exactly happened from a certain way things were set up or going. Even if the reactions of herself and others were random. No reason to think for sure it's not still that way, regardless of (or even in spite of) how it looks. She's monitored by above, yet nobody really knows what she's up to or why. There's all sorts of failsafes but none of them work. Even the omega option gets avoided by others blocking for her. She is in the database as not to be trifled with and more real than real is, and bo other person in MT has had Ed scared, Dom unable to do anything at all, and Ibara wanting to hire her. And apparently, all of them were wrong. Even if she's killable, it doesn't stick. She supposedly exists in song and game inside MT, but everything's happening out in the actual MT. And seemingly Kimiko is channeling it all none the less. Except for what Ping absorbed. Unless that didn't happen. Or did it.

About a number of other things. Piro doesn't seem to particularly think romance, relationships and physicality are all that important or immediate. He looks to be trying to get his bearings, to understand, and he seems dubious at best about his art (which Yuki put it well when she wondered how he could do the emotive majesty he did when he was like he is). He appears unconcerned with rushing anything he thinks needs to develop on its own. He seems more focused on righting whatever he thought he did wrong with the past, and almost afraid of working on something like Sight, especially with somebody he knows, because of what goes along with it and what happens when you're part of the creation rather than the consumption. That or he's more comfortable stewing over what others have that he doesn't than he does with getting them himself. One thing we do see now, he's still in that same mode, as if none of it is real. What's so confusing about Kimiko acting abnormally if she's in the middle of portraying a dead Miho when nobody is reacting to it as if Miho is dead? Maybe all of that is why his head is still stuck in Endgames, or wherever it is. Yet the demonstration continues. And maybe straightforward only counts when it's all done.

So, what does it matter how far or fast Piro gets along with wherever it is he's going?

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Re: [1481] Steamy Appreciation

Post by Ray Kremer » Tue Jun 27, 2017 5:20 pm

iffy wrote:
Tue Jun 27, 2017 3:47 pm
So, very similar to Miho's behavior most of the time?
Eh. Miho did a lot of flirting with Piro, both before and after he knew who she is, none of which was for an audience, it was between her and him.
Piro doesn't seem to particularly think romance, relationships and physicality are all that important or immediate.
Well, I think he wants one, but he probably doesn't buy into the idea of a whirlwind romance. He's used to ones you have to earn by making the correct dialogue selections or by building your character stats sufficiently.

Main thing is Piro only relates to the world through the mundane perspective, and right now lots of crap is happening as a result of Miho's waning super-meta supernatural existence. He doesn't have context from which to react to anything.
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Re: [1481] Steamy Appreciation

Post by mistersaxon » Wed Jun 28, 2017 4:25 am

Ray Kremer wrote:
Tue Jun 27, 2017 5:20 pm
Main thing is Piro only relates to the world through the mundane perspective, and right now lots of crap is happening as a result of Miho's waning super-meta supernatural existence. He doesn't have context from which to react to anything.
Metaphorical AND literal blanket over the head. Probably just as well...
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Re: [1481] Steamy Appreciation

Post by iffy » Wed Jun 28, 2017 1:02 pm

Ray Kremer wrote:
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Eh. Miho did a lot of flirting with Piro, both before and after he knew who she is, none of which was for an audience, it was between her and him.
Not quite that specifically. I more meant similar to Miho in staying in role, which role often being things like unclear, confusing, contradictory, illogical, perplexing. Not actually explaining much anything even if she talks about it. Doing things but not giving a clear indication of why, and doing them in ways that leaves it open as to if it's on purpose and under her control. But maybe it's too early for saying Kimiko is doing things like that now, based only upon during an escape removing things and moving in a for a kiss while your friend is driving. Yet given everything else, with her as her being her, Kimiko doing this now is at least a little odd. At least a bit out of seeming previous behaviors and the story vibe. But how much what of it is actually somewhat similar to Miho (or not) and in what ways remains to be seen. Might be nothing. Like you said, curveballs are expected, but there's a lot of directions and speeds they can go, and still they don't always show up.

For the other matter though -- there is always an audience, always somebody consuming a story. Somebody. In a meta sense it's 100% us of course. But even in story, it's not just the two of them. A badly kept secret, at least by now. At the CoE Yuki sees the photos and text conversations and Yutaka becomes aware of their existence. Largo in actuality knew about most everything from the Endgames timeframe as we found out at the CoE and the school. Largo explained some earlier to Erika, even if she missed the analogies and deeper meanings. Kimiko gets a lot of the details in various areas at various times, from both Piro and Miho. Meimi probably knows at least something, maybe quite a bit more. There's the people at the ASF and whatever some of them might know. The Otaku and the NPC, probably nothing, but then again who knows what they have been monitoring. The adherents at the CoE know lots of things about her. At least Komugiko firsthand has quite a bit of info about Endgames and Moh and Pirogoeth. His conscience was there at the bathhouse explanation, around at the apartment earlier perhaps. And plus, The Horde is always watching and waiting to act.
Well, I think he wants one, but he probably doesn't buy into the idea of a whirlwind romance. He's used to ones you have to earn by making the correct dialogue selections or by building your character stats sufficiently.
Unless he wants more to emote about such things than do them. Although I get more the impression he's wanting to both put the past to rest in his mind, while waiting to see if it's actually Kimiko liking him rather than the Idol wanting the best artist. Of course, to many people he's moving so slowly as to not be interested, perhaps now we will see if having the issue forced breaks him, or if he stays the same. If a point of this all is to educate him, and he's still unwilling, it might be because he's still stuck in a choose your own path game. Perhaps it's all he's capable of, or maybe something overall with this is bad and he senses it.
Main thing is Piro only relates to the world through the mundane perspective, and right now lots of crap is happening as a result of Miho's waning super-meta supernatural existence. He doesn't have context from which to react to anything.
As many in MT have found out, being genre-savvy seems to halt when it involves you yourself. He's trying to fit things into a framework apparently, true, but perhaps Miho and what she is and what she stands for isn't quite as fantastic as we all quite believe. He could be the only correct one. Given what we've seen of Miho overall, and saw with him and her at the store and in gaps and at bathhouse and going from bathhouse and at school and since, seems unlikely -- but given that this is after all entirely filtered through the author and artist, perhaps not. It's entirely possible that having Piro grounded (be he right or wrong) is the only thing saving any of them... Or maybe the game world falls into the void all the same.

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Re: [1481] Steamy Appreciation

Post by darrin » Wed Jun 28, 2017 2:56 pm

iffy wrote:
Wed Jun 28, 2017 1:02 pm
...Kimiko doing this now is at least a little odd.
The idea of her going straight for oral sex when they hadn't even kissed yet, yeah, I considered that possibility pretty odd. But just going in for a kiss, when they are out of sight and Megumi is otherwise occupied? That's significantly less odd, one could even argue not really odd at all, and requires significantly less in the way of elaborate and twisty theories to "explain" her behavior (still acting as Miho, acting as someone else not specified yet, becoming a character analogue, whatever; note I am not just referring to your theories here, these remarks are intended as general not personal).

True, Piro has only ever seen the more "reserved" side of Kimiko (well, plus a brief unmasking of Kimi-zilla on the train platform after Anna Miller's :D), and that's basically all we've explicitly seen in-comic too. But Erika pretty much said outright that Kimiko can be very aggressive in expressing her affections (including, presumably, physically; at least that's the general trend of the conversation in 994) when she wants to. Note that Kimiko doesn't make any attempt to deny Erika's description of that aspect of her behavior, she just denies that anything has happened with Piro yet. ;)

They've been "going out" (in some form or other) for, what, a week and a half now? And have just been through a pretty stressful situation. Kimiko deciding to start "moving things along" isn't all that odd in my opinion; maybe a bit unexpected that it would happen exactly now, but to me it would be more odd if it didn't happen sooner or later.
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Re: [1481] Steamy Appreciation

Post by iffy » Wed Jun 28, 2017 5:33 pm

Not that. All sorts of animals do all sorts things without having even ever before met or communicated, much less kissed each other on the face. Including people. It's not unheard of, why would that matter anyway. Even aside from not mattering who kissed what where first or second, or earlier or later, or at all. That talk about what it looked like while Kimiko was turning around and getting situated was trolling, same as when Erika was looking up at Largo during the machine testing escapade. Up to something, not looking much like what it supposedly was and probably wasn't, and then at least somewhat if not fully conclusively established by events as not being that at all.

Of course nothing requires any convoluted reasoning, especially if it's clear what was going on and why. But we already have some 1400 examples of how things usually work to fall back upon for future expectations. Which are that not everything goes where it appears, and much doesn't ever get explained. Guessing at things in the middle is convoluted sadly, because of precedent establishing that as the natural order of things. Which even after they're over they're often not much clearer. ;)

But we don't need it that difficult. Forget acting as if you've been ended, portraying an Analogue that must die for the sake of society and stability and the good of Megatokyo. Nevermind that the Kimiko that Erika was talking about has changed in lots of extensive ways. Had specifically been patient and understanding and empathetic to everyone including and especially Piro. It doesn't matter if Kimiko did any of moved back into old ways pre-fame and pre-Piro, snapped, went animalistic, is channeling Miho, has become Miho, is doing what she is doing is only because of story. We still can only guess (although certainly given 1482, many things are considerably clearer even though still ongoing and not yet fully resolved).

Imagine you are in a situation where you just figured out you are substituting for a metaphysical magical powerful something that is just as out of the natural order of things as had been suggested that you'd been ignoring. You emotionally drain yourself portraying the demise of somebody you're trying to help, burying yourself in the mindset and manner of that and then of being dead. Stopping to tell the other person you love them, in character, but probably for yourself rather than to give realism. The other person trying to save her then carries your body through gaps and wreckage and mystical pathways. One imagines they didn't know about all the monitoring or the Ninja running interference, but he was aware they were being tracked still, things weren't over, they were being chased somehow. And you all the while lay there not answering or talking, and as far as we know, not even really listening; being somewhat dead, putting yourself in a coma, immersing yourself in a hypnotic state. Then you get to safety, but it's not, it's a car under fire being chased etc. You stay in character (of some sort). You're carried into a vehicle, covered with broken glass, that the other person lays upon. Would you be scared, anxious, worried about your mission, wanting to stay in hiding and in character of dead untalking unmoving which is the entire reason for all this. Seems more likely and more normal than wanting to show the other person how much you appreciate and love them by being physical and potentially even ruining everything you just did. Doesn't seem wise, thoughtful, intelligent, or likely in the circumstances. It seems more akin to deciding you don't care about the money or getting away when you're in the middle of a bank robbery. Piro himself reaction-wise is apparently quite very much thinking this is odd and weird and out of place.

No matter how long it's been. Let me see. It's been a couple of months since we met Kimiko if we start in 0. Starting at things happening in 1, including the break, that's been about three weeks. 9 days to Ikebukuro, where most of the relationships were established more or less, 10 days Miho is "missing" things solidify, and 3 days since where it's all gone crazy. Although that's clouded by how long it seems out here, story-wise and other-wise. Certainly a lot has gone on in MT, and maybe it's like cat years. Their three weeks is three months or years, whatever. Erika and Largo are where they are and it appears quite normal usual expected, and really given their personalities as we've seen them over the last 3 weeks, the pace for Kimiko and Piro is probably just as normal usual expected for them.

So. We're to believe she, herself, of her own will and reasoning, suddenly, with any sort of thoughtful rationality at all, gets some urges and decides to act upon them, in a car escaping the police etc after acting to be quite dead for a number of tense minutes. Of course it's possible, maybe it's even likely. Perhaps Kimiko is following and carrying out an "Idol strike" upon Piro in much the same way Erika did to Largo, just at a far more fanciful and exotic and tense busy scary unprivate time in the story. Maybe Kimiko knew the situation was over, that Piro would be open to her making a move because it was right and what they had done to bond there wasn't easy. That he deserved a reward for caring about Miho and those like her, and for helping Kimiko do what she'd decided to without him having much much instruction. That now was the time, Megumi can't see anything or she doesn't care if she does. That Piro wouldn't consider it manipulation or too public or too forward too fast too soon. All that could fit. Yes, those who feel a vibe that it's out of place for her to do now and this way could be quite wrong, because they don't know her mood or what she's thinking any more than those who think this is a fine expected fitting realistic reaction and action by her. One, the other, both, neither.

Of course all she's done is kiss him a few times. And while we know more as of 1482, we still don't know yet what he has done or not. Going by the car fade out down the road, standard trope stuff says things are happening we can't be allowed to see, and it might be just like that. Yet it doesn't have to be. So even if we go beyond 1481, we still don't know if her behavior is strange. Strange being like if Piro doesn't go along or does and later regrets it, or if Kimiko does or says something later that shows not all is normal. As of now in 1481 or even at the end of 1482 with the additional information it has, there are not facts. There are assumptions based upon innuendo, ideas influenced by trope, notions based upon perception, expectations derived from opinion, thoughts clouded by desired outcomes.

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Re: [1481] Steamy Appreciation

Post by darrin » Wed Jun 28, 2017 7:25 pm

iffy wrote:
Wed Jun 28, 2017 5:33 pm
...in a car escaping the police etc...
But neither Piro nor Kimiko know anything about the TPCD being there or about Megumi having narrowly escaped being shot in the head. As far as the two of them are concerned Megumi is just driving them away from a bunch of weird-ass fanboys. An odd situation certainly, but not as far as they know life-threatening or anything like that; if they stopped to think about it they'd probably find it more silly/amusing than anything else. From their point of view there are a few bangs and jostles, but Megumi is still driving so she must have things under control.

Yes, Piro saw that Megumi's rear window had been smashed in, but to the extent that even registered with him it has probably gone way down in importance compared to the question of what Kimiko is up to.
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Re: [1481] Steamy Appreciation

Post by iffy » Thu Jul 06, 2017 2:57 pm

We certainly have been shown a lot more than they can probably see. It hasn't been easy to get here, either. Although Piro apparenly did see the gap drop, remarked about the otaku monitoring them, has seen at least some of the authorities. Mentioned to her about some of the goings on, the otaku and some other things, met up with the confused Megumi and described the situation to her. So they should still be aware they're escaping the police and such, he with a dead Analogue she's playing, with her friend driving them away. I still get an impression she's more being character in story, which is not based on anything conclusive certainly.

But yes, as far as we can tell, they are totally perceiving most if not all of this in an entirely different way than anyone else.

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Re: [1481] Steamy Appreciation

Post by darrin » Thu Jul 06, 2017 3:10 pm

iffy wrote:
Thu Jul 06, 2017 2:57 pm
...Piro... has seen at least some of the authorities. ... So they should still be aware they're escaping the police and such...
Sorry, can you point to specific strips where you are seeing this? Going back to 1450 and on, I don't see anything to indicate either Piro or Kimiko are aware of anything in terms of pursuit other than fanboys.
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Re: [1481] Steamy Appreciation

Post by Hawk » Thu Jul 06, 2017 3:53 pm

I don't think that Fred's going to be having any "fan-appreciation" moments in the back of the car. Kimi's emotional, not aroused, and while being in the back seat of a car that's running away/into from the police is all very exciting, the fantasies don't match Fred's normal behavior.

I like that he's keeping the story going without resorting to the obvious. I just wish he'd do it faster. :)

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Re: [1481] Steamy Appreciation

Post by iffy » Mon Jul 10, 2017 12:42 pm

darrin wrote:
Thu Jul 06, 2017 3:10 pm
Sorry, can you point to specific strips where you are seeing this? Going back to 1450 and on, I don't see anything to indicate either Piro or Kimiko are aware of anything in terms of pursuit other than fanboys.
I forget how Kimiko got around them, but Piro at least did know they were heavily blocking access around it all. As far as specifics, they yell at Piro in 1468 before he falls into the gap, and there are some shadowy figures (which could instead be hordish or Otaku or who knows what) in 1470.

But no, I agree, nothing nearly as direct as Kimiko bypassing them and Erika distracting them, and certainly not any of what Megumi just went through. Piro was not acting like he knew they were escaping the authorities. Neither of them saw or is paying attention to outside the car right now. So likely they weren't thinking about before or experiencing the escape part of it now.

The point more was that for him he had the being followed odd destroyed area things happening get to the car otaku and such around get away escaping vibe, no matter who it was or he thought it was. Kimiko, that's unclear really, nothing much to go on. Although, while playing dead has had plenty of time to think and imagine, or go into some sort of trance. She might not have even been listening to him much about what was happening. It just seemed she was well (if not even too throughly) immersed in a role. Maybe this just seemed like the right time to her. We don't know for sure.

Either way, whatever they're thinking, they would have been perceiving this in another way not like us, yes. A lot they don't know about and didn't see.

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