S1arburst wrote: ↑
Mon Mar 19, 2018 11:30 pm
Regardless, I'm not quite sure that Yuki catching Miho was the first time she'd moved fast, which I think was part of what iffy was talking about? Maybe? Or maybe not.
I don't think I was talking about that. Yuki is pretty clearly MG-speeding it back and forth from dinner to phone. But as to what's going on in 1193 it wasn't apparent to me at the time somebody had put something on the chair in 1193. Even the "conversation" in 1195 isn't too apparent with Yuki glaring at her brother then noticing her mom looking at her, it's not obvious, it's nuanced. (it's not like Meimi wanted anyone else to know what was going on or that she knew about it I suppose)
Later at the bath house when Miho catches Yuki in 1332, well we have already seen that from Miho before a few times. With Ed in 927 & 929, and when she gets out of the diner with Kimiko 1000/1001, and perhaps later if she got out of a killball blast again between 1123/1124. I think the only time anyone's caught Miho was The Horde in 1387. Although she's not normally trying to get away from anything is she.
As far as speed, think the first time Yuki is "shown" to be MG-fast is when she yoinks the zilla in 1108 But maybe another time before that even, Yuki was so extra fast even that everyone missed it !!!
S1arburst wrote: ↑
Mon Mar 19, 2018 11:42 pm
Okay, I think you're saying that since Miho is always playing parts, or being forced to fit into expectations, just because she looks nervous it might not mean anything.
Yes. That I wouldn't say it means nothing, or everything, just it's not clear how much we can trust it. Fitting the circumstances might not mean anything then, as in giving us information about the actual complete honest reality in some objective sense.
Mostly we have subjective perspective going on for the observer(s) even when some have some insight and give out some truth to various extent. Like the three insiders perhaps. What Ed says isn't apparently much use but some of what he finds out and does can be, while Dom isn't really helpful either way (except that he appears incorrect about a lot) and Ibara seems to give information that matches most of what else has been said or done by more reliable sources but clearly has his own blinders and focuses.
Either way, from what we've heard and seem to have seen, she is 'always real'. If that's true then how much importance is there to apply to when she seems like what she's supposed to be. I don't know but seems like not too much.
I think one of the few examples in story of doubt is circa 781, but then again Yuki is not fully convinced the entire time, and nobody is listening to her anyway. But even still, doubt doesn't necessarily matter, if the story plot situation environment going on at the time requires doubt or something like it from one or more participants or outsiders. Things then might have required Yuki to be in that frame of mind, rather than it being a fail or miss. Even if not, alternatives might be perhaps Yuki wasn't part of that story so it didn't affect her. Maybe there's something with Yuki's past with Miho, or Miho's past with Meimi and apparently Masamichi, or some MG thing. There are plenty of ways to explain (guess at) these things of course, we just have to imagine them. If we're not going with the one where Miho is the real thing. Story source. Analogue. Failsafe.
I agree that as an analogue it's clear that she has certain things forced on her, like dying and unwanted stories, but I like to imagine that she usually has control over what she she thinks and does, within whatever the undescribed limits are.
Well she does at times say they're forced and unwanted, acts like it at times as well. I almost even believe it!
As far as control, I've often wondered if she has no control, some control or full control. Does she get pulled into her own stories, fully immersed? Does she retain some way to manage them while it's going on? Is that all a lie in the first place?
One idea was that she has control over what gets kicked off, but not over how it unfolds particularly. Such as knowing Erika told off Largo and he didn't take it well, she calls Piro and tells him to do a friend check, in the situation of getting Piro and Ping over to the CoE, where Ping has already been given the idea to play with Piro. Maybe the timing of a miffed Piro exiting and finding Miho with Largo, or even the earlier reaction from Largo, wasn't planned, and maybe neither was how Ping takes it. Yet and still it appears the next day at Megagamers Miho uses how it turned out to her advantage. How much was just how it worked out and got rolled with? Maybe we can liken it to Ikebukuro when in 1100 she calls off the Undead Rangers Tactical Strike Force, or how they greet her later. Maybe liken it to whatever she's thinking about why in 1121/1122. Or when she apparently pushes Yuki until she gets taken to the CoE in 1257 that she complains about in 1276. Or recently when she has apparently just about no control over anything yet still things seem moving somewhere aligned.
Mostly we have no idea how much control, at least so far, in learning the answer from story.
Especially right now that she's on the sidelines.
Unless she isn't..... lol