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[1510] I guess I'll have to stop...

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Re: [1510] I guess I'll have to stop...

Post by Heywulf » Fri Feb 02, 2018 12:32 pm

Kimiko looks pretty happy in that last panel. Maybe even like an afterglow of "new level accomplished", or an after-mission analysis. She assisted in acting a work of MegaTokyo magic, and she knows it.

I'm looking forward to seeing all the sorts of ripples of events that come from this "Miho Rescue".

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Re: [1510] I guess I'll have to stop...

Post by Initial B » Fri Feb 02, 2018 4:47 pm

I'm not sure how to take that last strip. Fred did a great job of adding subtle, emotional undercurrents that I can feel as I read, but can't describe. The past couple of interactions could be interpreted a couple of different ways - awkward, wistful, want-yet-not-want. But right now I feel both Kimiko and Piro have dull ache that they are trying to show-yet-not-show. This entire scene feels like a house of cards whose equilibrium could collapse at any moment.

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Re: [1510] I guess I'll have to stop...

Post by iffy » Fri Feb 02, 2018 6:22 pm

Lots of things look like lots of other things, is this anywhere near what happened in Endgames or Online between Pirogoeth and Moh? Perhaps only in that there's some acting going on with Kimiko and Piro. But not much like in a game or chat, these two are after all both here, close together physically, in person, and fond of each other. Not just being okay with interacting through made up virtual representations. Sure, Kimiko is behaving oddly, and Piro is too maybe just not more than usual. But neither appears to be feeling coerced or shy, or is leaving. They both have time to reconsider or object or whatever else. Maybe discuss some things. Perhaps this is just how people like these two interact. What would be more worrying is if they were acting like Erika and Largo! Either way, whatever is being displayed that seems out of place might be from stress, or from neither of them looking forward much to finality breaking the illusion and anticipation. First time more than hugging, or being all alone. Yes, it could be she does want him to get back together with Miho and he's still pining for Miho. Or it's that Kimiko and Piro don't actually like each other that much or see any future together even in Sight, but both of them have thrown out the right not easy part, because... They aren't really very enthusiastic right now are they. It has been a long day. What does it mean, maybe nothing, maybe everything. Maybe we'll see soon.

darrin wrote:
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But for what it's worth a) I am interested in the ideas involved, not intending anything against the author (it's certainly an extremely well-written post) and b) I will confine myself to what was available in-comic at the time of that post (e.g won't discuss 1358 or the bathhouse scene).
Nice overview and comments of it all.

I'll say that the thing that confirms some sort of MG love power (but not if Yuki has it or how well she does) is what Junpei says about Love versus Honor. Including just recently. Relying on Yuki for relationship advice is, as far as we know, like relying on Miho for providing true complete descriptive information about herself.

And you're quite correct about eventually deciding to do something and putting your best foot forward even though it's the last thing you want. Versus doing something because you want to but being worried about doing it wrong somehow.


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Thu Feb 01, 2018 8:00 pm
I think the point is that this is a relationship that Piro doesn't ultimately want and that Kimiko has already decided is doomed to failure.
Piro seems to not want anything but to not make any decisions, including about being an artist on Sight. And Kimiko has not for the last few chapters been acting like she's not interested, she almost even spells it out in 1400.

Going to wash her hair while all her clothes are falling off so they don't ruin the sheets might not mean anything about how she thinks of the relationship. Or maybe it, and things like trying to save Miho from her mystical fate, means a lot. But that all kind of depends on what Piro and Kimiko are currently thinking, or and what happens next.


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Thu Feb 01, 2018 8:31 pm
That regretful face of hers once she broke character, aww. Kimiko is such a caretaker, and she’s provided a way to smooth over any awkwardness at the expense of her own feelings. Hopefully Piro will make it easier on her by passing out from exhaustion while she’s in the shower, so they won’t have to address the issue right away. He already looks like he wants to die.
She doesn't seem particularly awkward. He doesn't seem all that tired. Neither of them appears to be either trying to get away or all that shy. So perhaps it gets interrupted by something, or they have a nice chat. If it goes anything like the one at the bathhouse though (takes a long while and nothing is decided from it and they don't interact and give no reason for not because it's clear it wasn't ever going to happen) we'll know that now is the same sort of yeah it's all over information disaster conscience vanishes that turned out to be.

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Re: [1510] I guess I'll have to stop...

Post by Rapierman » Fri Feb 02, 2018 10:58 pm

Oh, damn, so close....and now here comes the ice bucket. :P
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Post by Yl33 D4 N00b » Sat Feb 03, 2018 1:44 am

Or a scene change; when we return to our happy? couple, they'll be dressed, and checking out of the hotel, going separate ways..... :(
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Re: [1510] I guess I'll have to stop...

Post by cidjen » Sat Feb 03, 2018 8:39 am

Plot twist: Kimiko tries to wash the toner out with warm water and it sticks, so she is stuck in the Miho personification, at least until her hair regrows. She colours her hair to that colour until all the toner is off... Then she notices that she likes this colour better, so she sticks with it.
Piro goes insane because he can't stand two Miho's in his little life.

[plot twist, comic 1510p+1]
Kimiko, in the shower : Aaaaaaaa... Piro come here quick!
Pork, behidn the curtain : huh, what happened.?
Kimiko: it doesn't want to wash out! It sticks! Look!
Piro: oh, my... Did you wash it with cold water like I told you? (pushes the curtain aside, just enough for the audience to see Kimiko's upper part, embracing the h parts with one hand, holding a handful of hair with another)
Kimiko (getting slowly blushed because Piro can see everything) : do I look like I did?
Piro: (getting slowly blushed because he can see what the audience can't) Laser toner melts and sticks when warmed up...
Kimiko: I... I didn't know... (Frowns, lets the hair down, embraces Piro's neck) what do I do now... Am I going to be stuck playing her... Forever?
Piro, frowning too (embraces her; he's still dressed in his t-shirt remember): no... We can try to find a remedy when we are out of here. For now just clean up. You don't look much like her... If you use your normal hair style.

[plot twist, comic 1510p+2]
Piro steps in the shower, takes hold of the shower head
Piro : let's see now... (turns the cold tap)
Kimiko : Aieee, it's cold...
Piro : It has to be... (thinks, smiles) here, have my t-shirt. It won't warm you up, but you won't have cold water directly spraying on your skin (takes t-shirt off)
Kimiko : gah it's cold. but some of the toner actually seems to be rinsing out. Shampoo ?
Piro : (reaching for shampoo from behind the curtain) : yeah let me get that...
Kimiko : (reaches for the edge of the curtain, swipes it shut) : Is it working?
Piro : (holds the ends of her hair in his hands, shampoo on and rubbing it in): Sorta. some stains won't let go just like that.
Kimiko (looks in the mirror, situated so that audience can see Piro with no t-shirt, and her standing with her back to him, turning her head towards the mirror, ending just above the h parts)

[plot twist, comic 1510p+3]
Repeat of the scene from the last panel of p+2;
Piro (reaching down for the shampoo bottle again, slips and causes Kimiko to land on top of him) Gah!
Scene zoom-out to outside of the shower, silhuettes visible on the floor, then he gets up, helps her stand up, she embraces him , he embraces her.

(sorry for ninjaedit, this scene came out more saucy now than I thought)
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Re: [1510] I guess I'll have to stop...

Post by paarfi » Sat Feb 03, 2018 10:35 am

Fred is planning to start working on the next comic today. You can watch him draw it live on Twitch.
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Re: [1510] I guess I'll have to stop...

Post by iffy » Sun Feb 04, 2018 6:31 pm

For his part, Piro has seemed to consistenly be mindful that this is Kimiko. No matter how immersed she herself was. That seems interesting.

Given Kimiko going back to herself (hair color or not) and this situation. Might be we can just suppose this is a chance for Piro to make some choice or another. Continue to wait and not do the sort of thing Dom said to do. Or instead to be somewhat proactive or say how he really feels etc.

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Re: [1510] I guess I'll have to stop...

Post by Teddy-Werebear » Sun Feb 04, 2018 11:28 pm

Here is hoping Kimi gets penised in her vagina boobs by Piro. I think she wants that and Piro needs it. Young adults having premarital sexy times. That is the best time for it, as long as they use protection... nobody wants to see what a case of space herpes looks like looks like in Megatokyo. Not that I think either of them harbor social diseases, but children are a sd that makes the host(s) suffer for 18 to life and very rarely kills you. BWAH HAH HAW!

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Re: [1510] I guess I'll have to stop...

Post by cidjen » Mon Feb 05, 2018 2:37 am

Teddy-Werebear wrote:
Sun Feb 04, 2018 11:28 pm
but children are a sd that makes the host(s) suffer for 18 to life and very rarely kills you. BWAH HAH HAW!
Hmm I dunno, life's mortality rate is 100%...

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Post by GreyWolfe » Mon Feb 05, 2018 6:07 am

Fred is flipping between being determined to let this play out and saying 'fuck it' and flipping the table. He's half trolling and half serious...not exactly sure what we will get next strip.
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Post by cidjen » Mon Feb 05, 2018 8:20 am

Or the next one after that.

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Re: [1510] I guess I'll have to stop...

Post by iffy » Mon Feb 05, 2018 12:34 pm

That's one of many of what's great about MT, our apparent main protagonist apparently can't make up his mind, and neither can the version inside the comic. :) No seriously, when perception is most all, and our reliably 'unreliable narrator' (and trope-breaking master-troll) plays with those perceptions, there's at the least a grand time wondering if there's really a plot, or if the characters are fully self-willed, and doing things on their own regardless if anyone wants it or not. Having Piro apparently unable to choose between the misty past and the cloudy future, not knowing who is or isn't in love, unable to know what Miho even is. (Well, aside from immortal ancient Irish goddess. Or was that wisps of data bouncing around a partially self aware non volatile ram.)

Does Piro make up his mind, and if so what is it? He's been treating Kimiko as if she's Kimiko (whatever she is or isn't pretending about) and the real situation as real. He's been trying to stay within the logical normal this is happening things, and staying away from the fanciful imagination parts of things. Including apparently the imagine spending some time with someone you like. Which also makes it rather somewhat curious there's any question about the illogical unusual extra fancy very imaginary Kotone still. Yet there is, isn't there?

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Re: [1510] I guess I'll have to stop...

Post by Initial B » Mon Feb 05, 2018 1:04 pm

Let's not jump the shark, here...

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Re: [1510] I guess I'll have to stop...

Post by cidjen » Mon Feb 05, 2018 3:49 pm

Well it is the source of a pretty powerful story :) that keeps people coming back to read and comment on all the little details trying to predict where it is going. To wait for the next comic.

Or just offload and vent their imagination.

Who knows maybe the future won't be any of what anyone wrote here or anywhere else, just because someone wrote that already.

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Re: [1510] I guess I'll have to stop...

Post by Sackett » Mon Feb 05, 2018 6:58 pm

GreyWolfe wrote:
Mon Feb 05, 2018 6:07 am
Fred is flipping between being determined to let this play out and saying 'fuck it' and flipping the table. He's half trolling and half serious...not exactly sure what we will get next strip.
Sounds like Kimiko is being a pain and wants to do her own thing instead of what the author has planned.

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Re: [1510] I guess I'll have to stop...

Post by Teddy-Werebear » Mon Feb 05, 2018 7:32 pm

GreyWolfe wrote:
Mon Feb 05, 2018 6:07 am
Fred is flipping between being determined to let this play out and saying 'fuck it' and flipping the table. He's half trolling and half serious...not exactly sure what we will get next strip.
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Post by Yl33 D4 N00b » Mon Feb 05, 2018 7:54 pm

OOh! We need one of those here in the States! I'll take the home version...... :' )
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Re: [1510] I guess I'll have to stop...

Post by darrin » Mon Feb 05, 2018 8:13 pm

Sackett wrote:
Mon Feb 05, 2018 6:58 pm
Sounds like Kimiko is being a pain and wants to do her own thing instead of what the author has planned.
Reeeeal hard to argue with a woman when she is giggling and shirtless... :oops:
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Re: [1510] I guess I'll have to stop...

Post by Tsukai » Tue Feb 06, 2018 12:34 pm

For heavens' sake, Piro. Just take her by the hands and TELL HER YOU WANT TO BE WITH HER. I'm very, very close to saying you don't /deserve/ Kimiko if you don't stop just trying to coast through your life and let everything happen. I'm tired of seeing this fall through your fingers while you lean back and rely on the #niceguy excuse for your behavior. Yes, you're doing the right thing; no, it does not just let you go on cruise control!

Show some of that spine you've displayed once or twice in this comic! Where's the Piro who was crushing mobile phones to protect Kimiko? Why were you doing it? You need to admit that you /want/ her, /especially to her/!

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Re: [1510] I guess I'll have to stop...

Post by cidjen » Tue Feb 06, 2018 1:08 pm

But that would be too easy and too near to make a... beginning of the beginning of the ending...

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Post by Invisigoth » Tue Feb 06, 2018 4:13 pm

Kimiko is smiling because she can read minds and she knows that she's got this in the bag....or sack...well you figure it out

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Re: [1510] I guess I'll have to stop...

Post by NinjaDefenestrator » Tue Feb 06, 2018 4:21 pm

I wonder if Kimiko’s switched back to being the protagonist, then? Since it looks less and less likely that Piro’s going to do anything but let himself be moved around by circumstances.

I am so eager for the next comic, to hopefully see what their next moves will be. Please don’t be a scene change, please don’t be a scene change...

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Post by Sackett » Tue Feb 06, 2018 4:22 pm

Well... I tend to interpret Piro's refusal to make such a clear declaration to be because he's not sure what he wants anymore.

Before the last two days (in comic) he was more clear, but Kimiko was uncertain, and she was sending a lot of mixed signals.

This is actually rather realistic for a relationship. Sometimes one person is ready to commit, but by the time the other person has decided they want to commit too, the first has started to develop doubts.

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Re: [1510] I guess I'll have to stop...

Post by arimareiji » Tue Feb 06, 2018 9:25 pm

cidjen wrote:
Fri Feb 02, 2018 12:23 pm
You sir, just robbed me of at least 2 sessions of imagination offloading, and counting.
This sounds dangerously like a euphemism. :?
cidjen wrote:
Sat Feb 03, 2018 8:39 am
Kimiko's upper part, embracing the h parts with one hand, holding a handful of hair with another)

[snip][A great deal of euphemism][/snip]
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Here is hoping Kimi gets penised in her vagina boobs by Piro.
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Let's not jump the shark, here...
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