mistersaxon wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2017 3:31 am
Um, Iffy? Kimiko said she wanted to persuade people to want Miho to
live. So dying was probably not helpful for that and the story needs to continue past that point or it is just the same old, same old
At one point earlier in her education maybe, although I always got the impression Kimiko wasn't aware of most any of that aspect of things. Kimiko hasn't seen much of what Piro or Yuki have been around to find out. Didn't experience any of what happened at the school with The Horde either. Really, Kimiko hasn't been in on most any of it, what we've seen of all that and more, like what Ed and Ibara and Dom know about Miho, the past of Masamichi and Meimi that we know some of, or any of what we've seen and heard when Miho has been alone. Of what Kimiko has seen and heard, most has been normal or explainable as such too. When it's been potentially illuminating, it looks like Kimiko has more like blocked it out, and even better than Piro usually seems to. Such as at Piro's Endgames-time story, Kimiko appeared to take it as seriously as she did Miho's real-Kotone story. Not at all.
Either way, lots of Kimiko's outlooks have changed in various ways as the situations have and she's learned more. Her whole relationship with Piro from when she first met him to her plans for their future. Sight or otherwise. Her attitude when she thought she bombed in the audition, upon first changing the character later, the fans at AM, with Miho at the diner and at Ikebukuro, listening to Piro about the laptop and Endgames, working on Sight with the NPC guarding her, at the CoE. Last night at the apartment, mumbling about Piro's behavior, making plans, finding Miho hiding in fear, hearing the Kotone story, seeing the collapsing, CPR, surgery. But the big change, how she thought of it before arriving at the hospital versus after she figured out a number of things in the hospital room and ran to where Miho was. The talk with Komugiko seems like it was akin to Junko seeing Robot Ping smash a car or Megumi seeing there was actually a Ninja.
The open questions there seem to be if what she learned is an actuality and if the plan she came up with is both valid and will function. Still, helping Miho seems to have morphed from story to person. Even if to Kimiko, that story was something more like a weird but fairly average girl of ill health attempts to vainly hold on to her old cyber boyfriend, poor dear.
As for what Kimi wants for herself - she asked Piro if he'd be upset if she died for real. I am pretty sure she meant her actual self, not "herself as Miho" and then when Piro apologised for all Miho's terrible, weird fans she recalled the heroic Piro who trashed memory cards and cowed a rabid pack of fanbois all for her sake. And she decided to let him know she cherished that part of his character with a little *chu*.
That sounds possibly what it might be like, yes. Except for that extra vibe, which might not amount to anything anyway, regardless of how odd it seems to Piro. A somewhat similar overall PoV, quite amazing for SD.
darrin wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2017 11:25 am
I thought the last time we saw Kimiko talking to Miho about it, the plan was for Kimiko to "act out a good enough death scene" to convince the fanboys Miho was gone (and presumably stop pursuing her for the time being).
Indeed, after hearing what Komugiko was saying etc, it seems to be about moving from thinking fictionally (whatever the plot and narrative) to rescuing an actual doomed person from the clutches of fate. What exactly Kimiko has thought about Miho previously, was sympathetic and understanding, but without a true notion that it was more than just some person who happened to have been involved with Piro in the past. Say, that Piro had anger, feelings of failure and that he could have done better, with emotional abandonment issues with that he had to fix before he could fully move on. Or that Miho was stalking him although he was rather disgusted with her and clearly wouldn't go back. Whatever. Regardless if Kimiko thinks that or if it's anywhere near the truth or not; whatever Kimiko believes and thinks of it is unclear exactly, except perhaps in what we each imagine it means.
All in all though, it often seemed Kimiko was essentially unaware there was a story, at least not in the sense of anything like eternal powerful Analogue the real thing and so on. That it wasn't just some other female mostly is a more recent thing. That previously, Kimiko considered most all of what she saw and was told metaphorically or with a grain of salt. Conceptually, now it is more like how Ed goes from dismissive to stricken by fear. Or, oh Largo beat some guy dressed like a ninja at a video game, no there is a Ninja who changes his own orders and stops sniper bullets with his hand. There's more to Miho and this story, time to make the audience happy by "dying". Regardless of how literal that death of Miho's was supposed to be. Regardless of how much different today is than when CPR was being done.
It was Piro who thought they could convince the fanboys that "the story where [she lives] is a better story."
Or that he could magically fix everything by substituting all the existing fans with brand new ones that thought differently. Apparently both removing fans and adding new ones were notions so ridiculous that his own conscience gave up and vanished. But the point is the same, yes, Piro wanted another story, one involving life for Miho. If Kimiko even thinks so in a way that's anywhere similar, that seems it would have been only recently either at the apartment or in the hospital or somewhere in between.