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[1536] Catching your breath

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Re: [1536] Catching your breath

Post by iffy » Fri Sep 14, 2018 12:59 pm

Piro's changes, or not.
There's no certainty Piro has fully or even mostly moved over to "seeing things", it might be limited to relationships. As what might more be expected from Piro, a change in one area as relates to somewhat letting go of the past, not an entire switch in character for multiple areas.

The lava room and tenderness.
Tis but perception certainly, but for all the talk about the situation of Kimiko and Piro, they'd seem likely to have a lower key method of behaving, something less hectic, to match their demeanors. Those two aren't Erika and Largo in steampunk gear on top of an electric train. What we might expect from one pair to be happening with the other, not so much perhaps.

Who helps whom when and why.
It's pretty sure Erika would help Yaku, why wouldn't Largo, but how does story get those two here anyway. Yet however crazy and wild, Largo has been at least smart enough to know Erika knows what she's doing and has powers, and they've been operating as a team mostly, taking her lead at times. Sometimes following Erika's lead is a prudent step of the wiser, not a sign of control. Even if they weren't dating.

Which is student and which is teacher.
Besides that anyway, how has anything broken apart? True, Junpei isn't as much following way of leet, he's got stability matters, apparently some big family issues. And has been at least somewhat impacted by Mugi in way of love, yet just as Largo has by Erika. They're in different situations, but not at odds. Right now, Junpei is helping Mugi help Miho, and we know Largo will help Miho, if not for himself, or Erika, for Piro and even once again Miho. Or maybe it's better to say, for the situation. We've seen it, it's rather what he and Erika are doing right now, a bit sidetracked. Like that, Erika and Largo rescue Miho at CoE, have a nice conversation on the subway, so too Junpei runs interference for Miho at the request of Mugi and with Kimiko implementing much. So yes, paths diverge, but support has apparently not.

Ouch, no I'll be okay.
In spite of any logic in the outcome of the attack given the timing and outward behaviors then and in the last comic, it does seem she's more hurt. Hit too hard in the back. Whatever, a strong front that now falls apart. For all her mocking in panel two, Enjii has whoever those two are (vis says fred says they're junpei's parents) prep to and then hold her in panels four and five. Although certainly that's not stopping the other ninja, so perhaps also she's not quite as in charge as she's made out. (Is she clan leader grandma eternal and youthful, or Junpei's younger sister being trained, or just some crazy woman.) But whichever way, here and now appearances are she's hurt more than she had let on, and maybe that explains her seeming to doubt and start to hold back but nobody else doing so.

Rescues, rescues, and more rescues.
Is calling for some details enough, or does Yaku actually have to use Junpei's name. Hmmm. Well, it's possible that her cries might attract someone else waiting or related to the topics in the last cry; perhaps Meimi, Yuki, or even yes Junpei anyway, rules or not. A lot depends on that. Maybe though calling it out that way makes the ninjas here react in another way, not as this being a matter of clans, a fox operation against ninja, but a personal matter of Junpei and Mugi, he as the willful initiator towards her. So, maybe nobody shows up, perhaps only 'this horde regains control over its will' or the like. That depends on a lot.

Stories and love and honor.
Perhaps the reason that "grandma" has been attempting to not let Junpei see her and doesn't want Yaku to call for him and so on, is that she's working a story angle or has been controlled by such a plot, to turn Junpei's personal interest in Komugiko into some ancient clan v clan drama. But in another sense, serves to point out that love is more complex and powerful than honor is. Perhaps because honor is a more vague concept until it's implemented, in which case it operates (in some more narrowly deliberate focus) as a type of love. Not romantically, but in the sense of definitions like family, strong affection, in the sense of rules, an admiration for justice, benevolence towards others. Devotion to order, good things, in terms of what's the right thing to do. Unselfishness, the honorable, not what that benefits you. Loyalty. But certainly a story of steadfast honor isn't a love story in some MG sense, it isn't romance, and it's less exciting than a fox versus ninja fight for supremacy. Although there'd be honor in righting past wrongs, but that would likely only depend upon viewpoint. Although in this case, the clan leaders at least, both are concerned with their group as family, but one is for stability and a reputable component of the system, and the other one is apparently a more opportunistic less moralistically-constrained more outcast. Some might say it's easier to take the higher ground when you have a great reputation. Yet the outlook and ideas and goals and behavior of the leaders doesn't define the entire group, and in this case, Mugi and Yaku are less of their group anyway. In a way that Junpei might also be with his.

Magical Girls and what's next.
Aside from unknown others, someone morphing into their character, Miemi being ? who knows where, and Yuki being involved in the goings on at hospital with the stability forces, TPCD, nurses, Erika and Largo as a team of situation creators or problem solvers, and whatever else. There doesn't seem much (aside from that one thing Yaku might be doing here now) that might lead an MG to this part of the story. Depending on how locked into some path they are now, to get pulled away by external forces on a related or different path. Still, while an experienced wise-ish MG might be able to take out a number of ninja, for love, maybe not Yuki. (Are her powers great enough to overcome her degree of control over them and amount of experience she has in making decisions.) We might could compare some of that to Miho's physicality usually, but she's not seemingly under the power of love or a source of it (the stories appear to be more about loss) and regardless, apparently medical technology can't withstand the powers of stories anyway. Which to some extent then, nobody is as powerful as story, or perception, and if that's true, that Miho had a pacemaker put in would be not so important. As just as temporary as that missing time between 1123 and 1248, and just as long-term and consistent as if it spells out her demise or that of everyone around her.
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Re: [1536] Catching your breath

Post by Invisigoth » Fri Sep 14, 2018 1:06 pm

GouryG wrote:
Fri Sep 14, 2018 12:05 pm
I really think that Ninja Grams is definitely scared. She has realized that she has bitten off more than she can chew. It turns out that Miho is more than a match for her and her Ninjas.

Hopefully Junpei's super Ninja hearing will pickup Yaku's call for help and after making a few Ninja super leaps arrives and comes face to face with Grandma and the rest of the clan. This can very quickly become an awkward situation.

Great observation. Ninja are highly capable operators however their greatest strength lies in intelligence gathering. All the files on Miho would show a fairly high threat level but things like the destruction of the hospital can be written off to the exuberance of the guns for hire getting in their own way. Up until now the uncontrollable Horde that forms around her was viewed as the real danger.

Now we see that Miho is personally more dangerous than the Horde once aroused.

Obaasan is the premier killer of a group of killers whom you hire to kill monsters. (John Wick is the one you call when you want to kill the boogie man) and now she's confronted by what amounts to a force of nature.

She's suffered another heart attack but her new implant is restarting her.

Her only real weakness has been eliminated

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Re: [1536] Catching your breath

Post by Roborat » Fri Sep 14, 2018 2:54 pm

Hmm, I hope that that last call was specific enough to trigger Junpei's ninja hearing. Also, I think that Miho's pacemaker may have to be upgraded to the superhero version, the civilian version is not up to handling the load when she has to kick butt.

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Re: [1536] Catching your breath

Post by jkhartl » Fri Sep 14, 2018 3:50 pm

TarsTarkas wrote:
Fri Sep 14, 2018 11:53 am
I would think it would have more to do with her heart. She is not fully healed, yet she has destroyed a hospital and its guardians, wiped out one group of Ninjas outside the Foxhole, defeated the Ninja matriarch and her minions in their inner sanctum, and still yet wiped out another group of Ninjas in the forest. That is a lot of strenuous activity. You have to be at the peak of health to be a juggernaut of a terminator.

Besides the heart attack she is probably in a lot of pain. Just yesterday she was 'killed' by Kimiko, Piro did chest compressions on her (you don’t do CPR on a ‘living’ person), and then had her chest split for the pacemaker. This morning she destroyed half the hospital and all the rest. I think she has probably topped out any pain meds she was given.
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Re: [1536] Catching your breath

Post by iffy » Fri Sep 14, 2018 5:24 pm

Although Miho has been through quite a bit, not only today, most others do not display most any of her observed behaviors much less all the ones she does. Like:

Show up at important locations at just the correct times or make them the correct times if they aren't
Know what everyone else is doing most of the time with no apparent way of knowing it
Leap hundreds of feet in the air while holding tens of kg in somewhere between instantaneously and small fractions of a second and land with no damage
Avoid notice by even those looking for them or be unavoidably the center of all attention
Make androids cry or become frantic
Turn defeats into anywhere from non-issues to victories
Walk through gaps in nowhere to other locations
Have people psychically know their pain
Experience the feelings of others directly
Take over entire MMO gameworlds via emotional statistics, allegedly
Have their enemies/victims end up helping them, sometimes happily
Put their hand in front of a .50 and with shotgun resting on forehead whimsically stare down the opponent until opponent runs away in fear
Leap around psychos holding energy weapons and cause those weapons to overload as they themself vanish
Be worshiped by a dance club full of adherents and thralls
Call off zombie ranger rampages
Have zombie rangers bow to them as their queen
Ostensibly get blasted with weapons crafted to destroy them and show up unscathed a week and a half later
Get locked away in a room a few centuries ago and still be present in the now
Have other-worldly mystical forces gather from story incongruities tearing down buildings trying to drag them into the abyss
Have magical girls disperse mystical forces for them
Have a string of many different diverse circumstances put them into cardiac arrest at just the proper time
Be apparently both unhealable and unkillable and the opposite, depending
Have everyone either trying to kill them or help them or both
Have an entire social structure dedicated to either helping them or eliminating them or both
Tear themselves out of hospital restraints
Tear down building floors into rubble
Beat up a bunch of superheroes
Cause injuries to ninjas with the ninjas being unable to stop the damage
Get the girlfriend of their old nemesis to die for them
Have the ninja tasked with destroying them take them to someplace safe instead
Have the someplace safe not all that very
Put their lives into the mercy of unknown quantities
Get accosted by someone who says they're the leader of a ninja clan and apparently backs that up with action
Have strangers shift from being angry at them to calling them family names
Still be considered a threat even when apparently incapacitated from having their heart stopping

That some of these things have occurred hours after pacemaker installation probably isn't the most surprising thing about them.

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Re: [1536] Catching your breath

Post by Minnesaenger » Sat Sep 15, 2018 12:24 am

Junpei doesn't need to side with either side, he needs to mediate and get people to calm down. And mellowing the waves is his greatest strength, not a show of force. He's shown his cool many times before.

Largo appearing now would simply be bad storytelling, and Fred is nothing if not an excellent storyteller, so don't count on that happening. There's no reason for him to appear, it doesn't make sense, whether it would be awesome or not. This is not his battle.

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Re: [1536] Catching your breath

Post by maldrul » Sat Sep 15, 2018 6:48 am

Roborat wrote:
Fri Sep 14, 2018 2:54 pm
Hmm, I hope that that last call was specific enough to trigger Junpei's ninja hearing. Also, I think that Miho's pacemaker may have to be upgraded to the superhero version, the civilian version is not up to handling the load when she has to kick butt.
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Re: [1536] Catching your breath

Post by Yl33 D4 N00b » Sat Sep 15, 2018 6:59 am

What would Teddy think if there was an Iron Miho?? ;)

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Re: [1536] Catching your breath

Post by GouryG » Sat Sep 15, 2018 8:38 am

Invisigoth wrote:
Fri Sep 14, 2018 1:06 pm

Great observation. Ninja are highly capable operators however their greatest strength lies in intelligence gathering. All the files on Miho would show a fairly high threat level but things like the destruction of the hospital can be written off to the exuberance of the guns for hire getting in their own way. Up until now the uncontrollable Horde that forms around her was viewed as the real danger.

Now we see that Miho is personally more dangerous than the Horde once aroused.
So far up until now we have only have seen Miho in reactionary mode. Now in full assault mode she is quite scary. It makes me wonder if she has unleashed her full power yet or is she still holding something back.
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Re: [1536] Catching your breath

Post by Teddy-Werebear » Sat Sep 15, 2018 8:52 am

Yl33 D4 N00b wrote:
Sat Sep 15, 2018 6:59 am
What would Teddy think if there was an Iron Miho?? ;)
Kill it with laser fire? Maybe ligthsabers?

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Re: [1536] Catching your breath

Post by cidjen » Sat Sep 15, 2018 4:37 pm

rrrrrip that arc reactor outta there~!
GouryG wrote:
Sat Sep 15, 2018 8:38 am

So far up until now we have only have seen Miho in reactionary mode. Now in full assault mode she is quite scary. It makes me wonder if she has unleashed her full power yet or is she still holding something back.
Maybe her fighting spirit will rise up and take all the ninjas as its minions.
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Re: [1536] Catching your breath

Post by Invisigoth » Sat Sep 15, 2018 7:39 pm

cidjen wrote:
Sat Sep 15, 2018 4:37 pm
rrrrrip that arc reactor outta there~!
GouryG wrote:
Sat Sep 15, 2018 8:38 am

So far up until now we have only have seen Miho in reactionary mode. Now in full assault mode she is quite scary. It makes me wonder if she has unleashed her full power yet or is she still holding something back.
Maybe her fighting spirit will rise up and take all the ninjas as its minions.
Well Miho was a pirate and you know....ninja vs pirates

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Re: [1536] Catching your breath

Post by Sackett » Sun Sep 16, 2018 10:22 pm

Invisigoth wrote:
Sat Sep 15, 2018 7:39 pm

Well Miho was a pirate and you know....ninja vs pirates
That they both suffer from the inverse power relationship, so one ninja/pirate is more powerful than 20 ninja/pirates?

Which means Miho is obviously going to win here.

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Re: [1536] Catching your breath

Post by DrunkenSailor » Mon Sep 17, 2018 5:21 am

A while ago everyone was worried Kimiko was treading on dangerous ground pretending to be Miho. Not only from the horde, but from it's need to find a replacement sad dying girl. A few pages ago Miho was feeling what Kimiko was feeling. Kimiko has also been engaged in some very strenuous activity recently. We are all just accepting Miho's chest pain at face value. The heart surgery was too recent. But Miho's activity level, jumping from the middle of Tokyo to out here in the country and beating a score or so Ninja mostly unconscious is unsupportable by even Olympic champions. It comes from magic.

While it's very possible that this is Miho's pain from her own heart, it is also very possible she might be feeling Kimi's pain instead. When announced that Miho had saved the little fox girl, way outside her sad dying girl story line, maybe Kimi was given Miho's old job full time and her heart has just skipped it's first few beats. And like Miho felt Kimi's fun with Piro earlier, Miho has felt Kimi's pain.

So even if Miho with or without Junpei's help gets Yaku home safe and sound and is feeling great and doing awesomely in her new found hero role.. She would soon learn that her recovery condemned some other girl to her old hell.

And as long as we're in complete conjecture land..

Would that put Piro desperately trying to revive Kimi over at the love hotel? Perhaps failing and Kimi waking up at the Nospital? Would she ask for a phone and call Piro back at the love hotel trying to revive her old dead body, "Hey guess where I am.." ??


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Re: [1536] Catching your breath

Post by cidjen » Mon Sep 17, 2018 9:45 am

@DS
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, all top notch but it was Junpei who carried Miho over to the ninja compound, other than everything checks out.
It is entirely possible, still, that what Miho actually feels and her activity level, is/was influenced by Piro's emotions, not Kimiko's. Kimi may be playing the part of the girl she was doomed to be, but Piro was the one who did touch her soul before (one who Miho did not want to lead to Death by Horde as she did with others before) and that link still exists (or: existed until now? Maybe Kimiko is in process of successfully installing her own exploit into Piro's soul now, in the final stages, purging the old bindings - and this is why Miho feels pain, her own old bindings being let go)
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Re: [1536] Catching your breath

Post by Yl33 D4 N00b » Mon Sep 17, 2018 11:14 am

Since Piro saved Miho earlier, it could be assumed that he would save Kimi also. Of course, once Kimi got the necessary operation, the three of them could travel Japan doing 60s pop, and calling themselves Piro and the Pacemakers...... :roll:

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Re: [1536] Catching your breath

Post by jkhartl » Mon Sep 17, 2018 11:59 am

cidjen wrote:
Mon Sep 17, 2018 9:45 am
@DS, all top notch but it was Junpei who carried Miho over to the ninja compound, other than everything checks out.
Junpei took Miho to the ninja compound initially. She was taken to the Foxhole by a squad of ninja, that she beat up, then jumped back to the ninja compound.
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Re: [1536] Catching your breath

Post by cidjen » Mon Sep 17, 2018 1:59 pm

jkhartl wrote:
Mon Sep 17, 2018 11:59 am
cidjen wrote:
Mon Sep 17, 2018 9:45 am
@DS, all top notch but it was Junpei who carried Miho over to the ninja compound, other than everything checks out.
Junpei took Miho to the ninja compound initially. She was taken to the Foxhole by a squad of ninja, that she beat up, then jumped back to the ninja compound.
Oh fsck... I stand corrected thanks @jkhartl :oops:
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Re: [1536] Catching your breath

Post by Liminaut » Mon Sep 17, 2018 4:43 pm

Perhaps Kimiko is going through, and through Kimiko Miho is experiencing, what used to be called https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_petite_mort 'the little death'.

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Re: [1536] Catching your breath

Post by cidjen » Tue Sep 18, 2018 4:52 am

keke,
Piro must be a 60d 0f 53x then huh.
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Re: [1536] Catching your breath

Post by iffy » Thu Sep 20, 2018 5:29 pm

Perhaps Miho is doing pretty much the same thing she always seems to be doing, acting so realistically it looks real to everyone, including herself. She's supposed to be linked to Kimiko or Piro's story or something, so she gives her current audience what they expect to the point they and her can't even tell the difference any more, and it all develops a life of its own.

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Re: [1536] Catching your breath

Post by Invisigoth » Thu Sep 20, 2018 9:21 pm

Iffy, you've confused Miho and Kimiko. It's Kimiko who can act so well that she loses herself

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Re: [1536] Catching your breath

Post by Small Pink Mouse » Fri Sep 21, 2018 1:33 am

Invisigoth wrote:
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Iffy, you've confused Miho and Kimiko. It's Kimiko who can act so well that she loses herself
But if they are linked like that then perhaps they can call upon each other's abilities? o_O

MInd you, if they're that strongly linked then the odds are good that they may have problems with keeping themselves from merging into one another strongly enough to effect each of them permanently. Perhaps it might go to the point that neither woman remains but what is left is effectively one woman with 2 different bodies? :idea: :shock:

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Re: [1536] Catching your breath

Post by Invisigoth » Fri Sep 21, 2018 7:54 am

Small Pink Mouse wrote:
Fri Sep 21, 2018 1:33 am
Invisigoth wrote:
Thu Sep 20, 2018 9:21 pm
Iffy, you've confused Miho and Kimiko. It's Kimiko who can act so well that she loses herself
But if they are linked like that then perhaps they can call upon each other's abilities? o_O

MInd you, if they're that strongly linked then the odds are good that they may have problems with keeping themselves from merging into one another strongly enough to effect each of them permanently. Perhaps it might go to the point that neither woman remains but what is left is effectively one woman with 2 different bodies? :idea: :shock:
Well, considering that MT is a simulation/MMO running in the unMod universe and that both Kimiko and Miho are very likely both characters being dual boxed by Piroko's "friend" Moh that is likely exactly what's going on

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Re: [1536] Catching your breath

Post by cidjen » Fri Sep 21, 2018 2:45 pm

Invisigoth wrote:
Fri Sep 21, 2018 7:54 am
Small Pink Mouse wrote:
Fri Sep 21, 2018 1:33 am
Invisigoth wrote:
Thu Sep 20, 2018 9:21 pm
Iffy, you've confused Miho and Kimiko. It's Kimiko who can act so well that she loses herself
But if they are linked like that then perhaps they can call upon each other's abilities? o_O

MInd you, if they're that strongly linked then the odds are good that they may have problems with keeping themselves from merging into one another strongly enough to effect each of them permanently. Perhaps it might go to the point that neither woman remains but what is left is effectively one woman with 2 different bodies? :idea: :shock:
Well, considering that MT is a simulation/MMO running in the unMod universe and that both Kimiko and Miho are very likely both characters being dual boxed by Piroko's "friend" Moh that is likely exactly what's going on
And Miho/Moh somehow has view of what Largo is/was doing (see friend check episode). They are in the same room maybe?

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