endgames?, endgames?

Now I feel vindicated:

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SilentMobius (Member)
01/11/28 08:28 AM
Re: "Is she more real to you than I am?"

Personally I think Miho is aware that Piro and Largo could only know her from whatever MMORPG Largo remembers her from. The irony is
Miho is a real girl that they only know as a computer game adversary.
Ping is a computer game accessory/accessory that they only know as a little girl.

Also I think that is why Miho was surprised at Piro back after the MMR machine debacle, Y'see Piro would probably have been playing a demure female magic user (or some such)

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Ok, Pirogoeth looks like a fighter type but other than that.
*does a little dance*

Hehe. The sword on the left hand reminded me of Link

Very cool pic.

That's Piro's online avatar. Bishounen, yes.

No, Pirogoeth isn't the bishounen one. Pirogoeth is actually supposed to be female. Miho's avatar, on the other hand, is supposed to be male but still seems to have inherited a few of it's owner's femenine qualities. That makes it the only bishounen in the bunch.

Oh, and SilentMobius? She may be using a sword, but the Pirogoeth/Megawinter Nights poster specifically shows her casting a spell. Admittedly, she might have different abilities in each different game. After all, she and Ruri-Quake are nothing but variations on the more general "Piroko" who has a different variation for each game Piro plays. Pirogoeth is just the name he uses for medieval fantasy settings, so different Pirogoeth's could very easily have different abilities.

Still, I think Pirogoeth is more likely to have at least some consistency from game to game, and we know that at least one of her incarnations is a spellcaster, so I'm going to assume they all are until proven otherwise.

tsk tsk,

why the need to compartmentalize things so much? One of the most irritating things about RPGs in general is the need to classify things. I understand that this is the general nature of statistics based games, but why must we say 'pirogoeth is a spellcaster, no wait, she's an assasin, no wait, she's a lawful evil gnome!' grrrr...

There is a backstory to the whole Pirogoeth/Largo RPG campaign. As i've said before, it does not, perhaps, adhere to all these silly rules and formats that many people are used to living with. My point is that a good story and adventure will transcend the framework in which it is played/watched/experienced.

Only myself and largo know the particulars of the gameworld where this all happened. Fantasy worlds are just that - fantasy - even when you apply a gaming framework to them, i dont think there is anything wrong with ignoring the rules of games we all currently play - maybe thats where creative ideas for new games come from?

and maybe, part of the reason Largo and Piro are as successful as they are at this partucular game is that they are able to transend the framework a bit? Maybe Miho herself transends it a little bit more?

You can play with that analogy for now.

piro

PS: oh, i want to clear up one thing. I NEVER said that largo would turn into a character people wouldnt like. It's PIRO that people will end up disliking. Get your facts straight

Havn't you been saying all along that we would dislike piro (or at least his artwork)? Hasn't happened for me yet

Excellent point. The English language lacks proper adjectives to describe the stupidity of that thread (who's the goth girl again? does she like piro too?). All of us who have read it are dumber for the experience.

Hehe aznkid2o9 is better now, but it was kind of good because it finally set off the orbital pocky arms race. Speaking of Orbital I have added my design to the mix Orbital Pocky Canon operational: Pocky War Begins!

Any who I don’t like to speculate too much I prefer to be surprised and jerked around for all its worth. For all we know it could be Boo playing as that player

Ah, so they aren't playing a particular game we've all played? that makes things easier.

Glad to see another game world! YAY!!!

Well, you heard it from Piro yourself, Pirogoeth is actually an evil gnome!

I hate to put words in your mouth, Piro, but I'm about to put words in your mouth...

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I don't understand why people like Largo so much. I've gotta do more. You will end up hating his guts before it's all over.

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Unless the people who tanscribed this interview seriously fuxx0red up the job, you did, in fact, say that we would end up hating Largo.

Now, that isn't to say that you didn't say we would end up hating Piro, somewhere else. Then again, you think that everybody is going to hate everything you do, so that shouldn't really be any surprise.

Wow! Isn't having your every word and deed scrutinized fun?

Back to the original topic, people need to compartmentalize everything because this is a forum where people spend hours on end engrossed in heavy debate over something as trivial as a webcomic. Naturally, I know that whatever game Piro, Largo, and Miho are playing does not conform to any real life game, but fitting the story into all sorts of molds like that is half the fun of this forum.

Then again, part of it may be because you haven't actually revealed any of the backstory for this gameworld yet... (hint, hint... )

ahahah! I remember that interview. yes, they screwed it up. I remember thinking that when i read it ages ago. I said PIRO not LARGO. So that's where the misunderstanding came from. isn't that a hoot.

I remember that now, i didnt realise that people actually went to the trouble to read that article. I need to remember to smack patchmonkey around about that.

piro

Ahh, that does clear things up. I was thinking that you've been doing a miserable job trying to make us hate Largo

Really? I'm supposed to hate Piro? And like Largo? I think I goofed up then... Sure, Largo is funny at times, but I love Piro. Sure I want to kick him sometimes ( Case in point: http://www.megatokyo.com/index.php?strip_id=187 ) but then where is the drama in things being easy?

I think I am mixed up too. I have liked Piro as a character consistently and cannot imagine not unless he does something icky like bag the 15 year old. Largo the character was fun at first; now he is just getting sadder and sadder as he seemingly spirals out of control.

um, why cant we all just get along?

Sorry, couldnt avoid the cliche

But anyway, an endgame is a chess term, used to symbolize the board when all the pieces are moved about from their neat start up position. It has nothing to do with the end of the game being near, as this portion of the game often lasts the longest.

Um, yea, I dont think we'll ever hate you piro!

--theKiyote

Actually in game theory endgame means that the players have finalized their strategies and are ready to move into the decisive final stage of the confrontation/game/contest

Let me speculate...

Piro/Fred wants us to hate Largo because Largo is a bad person. He is a destructive, uncaring, dangerous a$$. When he behaves irresponsibly, it is out of pure selfishness rather than personal weakness like Piro. There is absolutely nothing likeable about him.

Except there is. Largo is like Quark from "Deep Space Nine." Quark is pure evil. At the same time, he's an interesting, complex, and entertaining character, so people like him. Every once and a while, he has the opportunity to show some small hint of kindness or loyalty to his family or to the crew, but he doesn't. Desipite this, many people still feel--wrongly--that there is some little kernel of good buried deep inside Quark's soul. People want to think this precisely because they like the character.

Largo is the same way. People love the "anti-hero" persona, but at the same time want to believe that he's really a good person underneath the prickly (selfish, rude, violent, etc.) exterior. Piro/Fred wants us to see that he isn't, and to dislke Largo because he's a bad person. But no matter how well the writers show us that Largo is devoid of redeeming qualities, we'll still want to believe that "he's not so bad" because we like him.

Piro/Fred assures us that we will all end up hating Piro (the character). I'm going to guess that it's not because Piro is a bad person. He does, however, have a few personality shortcomings. Piro will probably make us hate him by completely screwing up his romantic interest (whether it be with Kimiko or someone else). It will be due to his own character flaws--lack of confidence, thoughtlessness, and the inability to step outside his own personal fantasy world.

If you've ever watched "Chasing Amy," think of Holden. Holden is a decent guy who meets a wonderful girl and has a chance to find real love. Because he is too weak to deal with his own insecurities, however, he ruins not only his relationship with the girl, but also with his roommate, and brings his whole life down around him. Holden is the classic tragic hero--on one hand, you feel for him, but on the other hand you hate him for being too stupid to grasp the opportunity that's sitting right in front of his face and instead hurting everyone he cares about.

I have a feeling that Piro is headed for a similar fate. If he's lucky, then we'll only hate him because he never manages to go through with things with Kimiko. If he's not (and only Fred and Rodney know...) then we'll hate him for turning what could be a marvelous love story into one of shame, pain, and embarrassment.

--Dave

i am truly amazed by the amount of time you people put into analyzing the hell out of every little part of this comic. After reading the forums i realize that for some people its more than just a funny, well plotted manga. I guess some of you its a way of life...

Oh Yah and Piro kiks and largo is not really 3vil hes just hella messed up and funny. Hes the perfect comic relief to the deep storyline, just like Ed in Cowboy Bebop (GREAT ANIME!!!)

Perhaps I should clarify a few things.

I can't speak for everyone here, but what I meant in my last post, at least, was not that "Megatokyo is a way of life" but that "analyzing the hell out of every little part of things" is a way of life. I, for one, just happen to choose MT as the subject of these examinations because, as you say, it happens to be a funny, well plotted manga.

Well-said. Im sure if i spent more time on the forums i would learn that myself but unfortunately im only a rookie at this so kut me slak plz. ^^;;

I didn't realize that any author actually had the goal of making their readers dislike one of the two main characters...

"Excellent point. The English language lacks proper adjectives to describe the stupidity of that thread (who's the goth girl again? does she like piro too?). All of us who have read it are dumber for the experience."-excal

umm are you trying to hint at something? And if those who have read it are dumber for the experience what does that say about those who reply to it and still do?

Perhaps neverwinter nights rip? Ever check the title? The name is pretty much the same.

Whatever... analize the heck out of it you want. I still like Piro better than Largo. Always will.