Twelve Shot Dead At Us Army Base, Fort Hood, TX

News story.

Last incident of such sort was at Iraq at one of the mental health care centers.

I wonder if it's PTSD-related or terrorist-related. Or neither perhaps? A tragedy either way.

ah hell... and he's muslim too... fox will have a field day.

/facepalm

I am watching fox now, and they are barely even talking about his name at all. Everyone blames foxnews all the time even though they are the most watched cable news channel. They actually restrained from giving out the name at first.

This post has been edited by Maximum_Ride on Nov 5 2009, 06:08 PM

just wait...

No. If you had been watching it today, you would have noticed that most of the reporting is framed by soldiers and the stress they face from deployments, to combat, to returning home and I'm sure NBC, CNN, ABC, CBS, and the others are framing it the same way. News organizations aren't so stupid as to go ZOMG TERRORISM over a solitary name.

So how are these to arrested suspects related to this?

Well not all mental problems our servicemen and women face are PSTD. Could be any number of things but it honestly from just the circumstances I doubt it's some kind of terrorist thing and I'd honestly be shocked if it was. It looks more like he probably had some kind of mental issues.

Are people really still thinking that a popular cable news network makes them any good? They're all scraping the bottom of the barrel from what I've watched.

From what CNN is saying, the guy, an Army trained psychiatrist that had been treating soldiers suffering from PTSD that had returned from Iraq and Afghanistan, heard that he was supposed to go to Iraq. He did everything in his power to get out of going, even going so far as to try to "pay the Army back" all the money they had spent on him to receive his training; however, the Army refused to allow him to resign his commission. :/

Apparently, he snapped and, for whatever reason, decided to do this horrible thing.

What's worse is I had a friend post something about a friend being shot at Ft. Hood, which, while dramatic, wasn't something that I thought was at the level as this sort of thing. I'll have to talk to her when I get home from work.

My condolences go out to all the family members of those injured or harmed in this horrible act.

Why do people always have to think they need to take others with them when they go suicidal?

Anger issues. They are angry, and they can only take it out on everything around them, being unable to resolve it any other way.

Least, that's my impression.

I would not hastily conclude that it was the act of a man just "snapping" under pressure. We still have those other two suspects, remember? If it turns out that these two were truly involved, then the investigation would indeed veer toward the turf of organized terrorism.

And the guy was still fresh out of school. Apparently, he finished his residency in psychiatry in 2007 and then did Disaster and Preventive Psychiatry at USUHS.

Oh, the sheer, brutal irony of life.

While it is completly unfounded based on current information if I was a bad guy type, this would be exactly the kind of sleeper event I would have wanted to plan for. In fact the scary thing is I talked to my wife about how interesting it was that for supposedly how organized they were that we didnt seem to have any sleepers in the armed forces where they could do a world of hurt before being taken down.


Terrorists like to cause.. duh.. terror. They also understand that in a Republic like ours that public opinion is the engine that drives wars. What better way to make the war look "so unpopular that our soldiers are killing eachother just to not have to go!" and thus strike a critical nerve for undermining support for the war on Terror here back at home and thus weakening the support our troops in the field will get.

It ammounts to a huge victory if indeed he was a sleeper and we cant prove it as a terrorist plot.

Usually people don't "snap" in groups. A suicide pact of 3 seems odd, 2 in custody 1 dead, outside of terrorist cells or other extremist groups.

This post has been edited by Meaty-BTZ on Nov 5 2009, 08:04 PM

Which is why I'm down to saying absolutely nothing about this. Why is it that when a guy snaps and kills people there always needs to be blame assigned for the causes or the media coverage? Goddamn, people just got fucking shot.

They were released after being questioned, although apparently they do have yet another person in custody. There's supposed to be some sort of news conference being held by the commanding general of Ft. Hood concerning what is known. With the current information, I'm having a hard time believing it's terrorism.

This I didn't hear. Did you do your own research on this, or did you get it from Fox News or something?

Glad that you caveated what you said. This is pretty out there.

This post has been edited by Squidworth on Nov 5 2009, 08:11 PM

Trust me, neither do I. "Isolated" incidents are enough tragedies by themselves. I hope the authorities bring swift updates.

From a blog actually. Then I got the stuff from the horse's mouth.


USUHS newsletter. See page 5 of 8, then 1st picture of the 5th row. It lists Nidal Hassan as one of the M.P.H. students.
Another page with his education listed.

During the news conference with the commanding general, it's come to light that the MAJ suspected of being the shooter isn't dead.

I'm still watching and we'll see what happens.

How do you accidently report a shooter being dead when he isn't?

Not that I am complaining, so rarely in these events do we get the shooter to answer the question of 'Why?' in his own words. Assuming he recovers and doesn't die later.

No idea. Perhaps the information just wasn't completely proven before being put out there? Speculation? Or perhaps this is just more sensationalist news-ing.

Regardless, it's pretty retarded and makes CNN look pretty dumb. :/

Also, a JAG officer was double-teamed by, of all people, Dr. Phil and this POW for bringing up the possibility that it was "terrorism-associated violence." The guy really put his foot in his mouth, but pretty much proved what the rest of us already knew: that the racial stereotypes associated with the Muslim community and terrorism are still going strong.

He's supposed to be stable, and I know I'm very interested to hear this guy's excuses, er I mean "explanation" as to why he felt the need to snuff out so many lives.

The possibility is still there and it's getting more likely by the hour. He had never been combat deployed (goodbye prevailing theory) and apparently his online posts had been tracked by the federal government for the past couple months.

It's too early to say anything, but a kneejerk reaction that this can't be terrorism related is just as short-sighted as a kneejerk over his name means that he MUST be a terrorist.

This post has been edited by TheWinkel on Nov 5 2009, 09:30 PM

I hardly think that it's the media's fault. They were reporting information that they were given by people at Fort Hood. Number of dead, the shooter being shot, police response, the injured.

I mean, we wouldn't WATCH the news if they sat on every story for 24hrs while they gathered every possible fact. We dont' watch 24hr news to find out what happened yesterday, we want to find out what's happening NOW.

Even in the CNN reporting, every time they mentioned the speculation that there were multiple shooters they STRESSED that this is based on unconfirmed reports and it was more of a theory than anything.

Source
My thoughts and prayers go out to the families and "Battles" of those who have lost someone today. Tragic, yet as said here already, ironic. Of all people he should have had the most access to psychiatric help.

Squid, do you have a quote and source for the Major wanting to repay his debt in exchange for a discharge?
Edit: Never mind found it:

Source


I'd imagine that the Court Martial will be rather swift for this one.

This post has been edited by Lil2Saturn on Nov 5 2009, 09:51 PM

Well kill 'em!

Was trying to find it for you, but the closest thing I could find was all speculation and nothing from a reputable site. The folks I heard it from were here at work, but that could just be speculation as well.

The argument in the blogosphere is why he didn't actually just resign the commission and get out; however, it sounds like the talking heads speculate that he didn't want to give up the salary. But, one point that was raised is that, if it's the money that's keeping him in, he's certainly not going to be able to spend it if he's dead, so that doesn't make any sense.

In any case, I'm looking forward to hearing what he has to say about it, but I think it's pretty safe to say that he's fucked.

He was taken to a hospital where he was pronounced dead. He was then taken to a better hospital where his condition was upgraded to "alive."

This.

Seriously, when I heard "other suspects apprehended," I've considered the possibility of organized terrorism even before the suspect's name was released on my news feed. Terrorism plots by those with "domestic sounding" names are just as possible and detestable as ones by the "foreign sounding" ones.

So, alleged history of harassment/resentment, and unconfirmed long term plotting of violent acts.



If he happens to be linked to a terrorism cell, maybe he can provide some extremely valuable information in return and might get a life sentence. Doubtful, really.

If he is not, he ought to get the death penalty, victimization or not.

He could not resign. He is a graduate of Uniformed Services University of Health Services (USUHS). If you graduate as an MD, YOU OWE, at least, 7 YEARS OF ACTIVE DUTY AFTER YOU FINISH YOUR RESIDENCY. That's a minimum of 14 years of Uncle Sam owning your behind.