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Posted by: Piro Apr 19 2017, 07:01 AM
Yay, more comics

Feel like im really starting to get deeper into doing more fun and also more interesting comics and having the story start to really move along again.

Fredrin

Posted by: Invisigoth Apr 19 2017, 07:22 AM
This Kunoichi exhibits indomitable spirit. Miho will take a bath and get her hair fixed and be appropriately dressed and it doesn't matter how tired she is

Posted by: Mamma Peach Apr 19 2017, 07:52 AM
Also not as ignorant as she sounds. She picked up on Miho not really being a ninja, but is cool with it and seems to be able to get information without bluntly asking (even if she did just bluntly ask). She also has a bad habit here of wanting to treat Miho as a dress up doll, and now write her story. ...Maybe her chatter is a distraction.

Posted by: Invisigoth Apr 19 2017, 08:30 AM
Oh she knows exactly what she's doing (which among other things is determining what's going on in Junpei's love life it would seem)

Posted by: Teddy-Werebear Apr 19 2017, 10:16 AM
A ninja slumber party with big evil?
Not very wise.
Youth is wasted on the young.

Posted by: Tiger Apr 19 2017, 11:16 AM
I like this Ninja girl smile.gif. Miho needs a friend like this

Posted by: HakuRyoku Apr 19 2017, 12:08 PM
Junpei was so worried about grandma finding out I guess he considered his sister a non-threat..... it'd be interesting to see how long that holds up...

Posted by: Roborat Apr 19 2017, 12:18 PM
This girl isn't a ninja, she is more like an unstoppable force of nature. Miho is going to have a new friend, if she wants one or not.

Posted by: Invisigoth Apr 19 2017, 01:56 PM
QUOTE (Teddy-Werebear @ Apr 19 2017, 11:16 AM)
A ninja slumber party with big evil?
Not very wise.
Youth is wasted on the young.

Our intrepid kunoichi is braver, more capable and more perceptive than are you my timid bear

Posted by: Tiger Apr 19 2017, 02:34 PM
QUOTE (HakuRyoku @ Apr 19 2017, 12:08 PM)
Junpei was so worried about grandma finding out I guess he considered his sister a non-threat..... it'd be interesting to see how long that holds up...

What if that IS his grandmother? ohmy.gif ph34r.gif

Posted by: Patty Acer Apr 19 2017, 02:54 PM
Good gracious. Is Miho actually going to have a...female friend? For realz? Whether she wants one or not?

I like this.

Posted by: 'zilla Apr 20 2017, 12:53 AM
QUOTE (Patty Acer @ Apr 19 2017, 02:54 PM)
Good gracious. Is Miho actually going to have a...female friend? For realz? Whether she wants one or not?

I like this.

What about Ping [http://megatokyo.com/strip/277]? I know she considers Miho her friend. Whether it's mutual is debatable but now that I think about it Ping kinda came on a little strong at first too.

Posted by: paarfi Apr 20 2017, 05:14 AM
NinjaGirl is fun. happy.gif

Yet another example of how things have changed for Miho. She's out of her element, unsure of what to do, worried, tired, and not a little afraid. She tries to spin a story, but she's in unfamiliar waters and off her game. NinjaGirl sees right through her.

There was a time, not too long ago, when things would have been very different. Miho had been in her gilded cage for a long time, and she knew the rules better than anyone. It didn't make her happy, but it did give her confidence and a feeling of security and being somewhat in control. Now that's all gone.

Miho's life wasn't going to get any better the way she was going. This change, scary and uncertain though it may be, was very much needed. But there is a lot more that needs to be done to make it turn out well.

Piro, Kimiko, and the rest of Miho's friends are trying to help, but they are going to need Miho too. In spite of the shock this has been, Miho needs to get her sh*t together. She's not a damsel in distress to be saved by the heroes. She's a heroine who just needs a little help from the people who care about her. Maybe talking to NinjaGirl will get her back on her game.

Posted by: Teddy-Werebear Apr 20 2017, 05:21 AM
QUOTE ('zilla @ Apr 20 2017, 12:53 AM)
What about Ping [http://megatokyo.com/strip/277]?

She is Junko's sidekick now!
They are team curvy!
ROAWR!!

Posted by: BetaCygnus Apr 20 2017, 05:47 AM
QUOTE (paarfi @ Apr 20 2017, 01:14 PM)
NinjaGirl is fun. happy.gif

I totally agree. happy.gif

And Fred? Congrats on finding Da Flow again.

smile.gif

Posted by: garapagosu Apr 20 2017, 06:44 AM
QUOTE (Tiger @ Apr 20 2017, 05:34 AM)
What if that IS his grandmother? ohmy.gif ph34r.gif

This. Thisthisthis.

Everyone wins.

Posted by: Heywulf Apr 20 2017, 11:57 AM
I think I'm changing my mind. This is not quite the Innocent Game-playing Ninjagirl I thought she was. Maybe *I* don't know that much about ninjas. Or MegaTokyo-region ninjas. Maybe the local ninjas are very much game-players?

Both of these female entities seem to be acting like they are used to being treated with a lot of deference. If the ninja one is as young as some of her inclinations, one might think she was acting 'spoiled'. Or maybe from a very different culture. Maybe I *don't* know that much about ninjas.

rolleyes.gif

Posted by: Patty Acer Apr 20 2017, 12:34 PM
QUOTE ('zilla @ Apr 20 2017, 12:53 AM)
What about Ping [http://megatokyo.com/strip/277]? I know she considers Miho her friend. Whether it's mutual is debatable but now that I think about it Ping kinda came on a little strong at first too.

It always seemed to me that while Ping treated Miho as a friend, Miho was using Ping.

@ paarfi:


Interesting thoughts there. I've always felt that one of Miho's chief griefs about her situation was the fact that her choices weren't really choices at all - they were inevitabilities she was compelled to by the demands of her 'story'. But right now, in this interval that's been given to her, there are no inevitabilities and so her choices are actually just that - her choices. They may or may not work out the way she expects them to. For example, in this interaction with NinjaGirl, Miho has started out by doing what she's always done - i.e. suss out what the 'story' wants of her ('Ninja?...yes I'm a ninja...I guess...') and act accordingly. But since it's not a 'story' but a real interaction, it doesn't go according to script (' nice try....I'll help you work on a believable story')


So yeah, right now, Miho's off the map without GPS, to coin a phrase. None of her usual methods will work here. She can't play a role right now, she'll have to be herself. Could be interesting.



Posted by: Ningen Apr 20 2017, 04:25 PM
QUOTE (Patty Acer @ Apr 20 2017, 07:34 PM)
It always seemed to me that while Ping treated Miho as a friend, Miho was using Ping.

IIRC , Miho was "playing" PIng. That seems to be (/have been) her standard MO.



There seems to be a common theme of self-actualization for many of the characters. Ping discovers her humanity. Largo gets a job, Erica gives up hiding at MegaGamers and gets back into the action. Piro stops dithering and starts to show some backbone, Junpei pursues the way of 1337, and defies his head ninja...

Miho's arc has been longer and deeper than most. "Have I changed?" http://megatokyo.com/strip/1122

Posted by: infidel Apr 20 2017, 08:38 PM
QUOTE (Tiger @ Apr 19 2017, 02:34 PM)
What if that IS his grandmother?  ohmy.gif  ph34r.gif

Yea, I came on to make the same point. The level of perception and the treating Miho like a doll, and how Junpei mentioned his Grandmother and not a sister...

And how it's pretty common for female Ninjas to make themselves look youthful... Probably plays the chatty airhead teen because it is so effective for getting people to let down their guard.

Posted by: 'zilla Apr 20 2017, 11:59 PM
QUOTE (Patty Acer @ Apr 20 2017, 12:34 PM)
It always seemed to me that while Ping treated Miho as a friend, Miho was using Ping. . . .

. . . So yeah, right now, Miho's off the map without GPS, to coin a phrase. None of her usual methods will work here. She can't play a role right now, she'll have to be herself. Could be interesting.

You asked originally if Miho might be going to have a female friend. Ping wanted to be that friend but Miho wasn't ready for a friend. Plus, I think Ping may have affected her more deeply than she was willing to admit. whether she's "ready" now is debatable but she's probably closer than she was back in strip [http://megatokyo.com/strip/261]. It depends on how far "off the map" she is and how willing she is to be herself.

Posted by: mistersaxon Apr 21 2017, 02:44 AM
Or maybe Ninja-girl is also not very used to having actual friends and spent most of her childhood with either wizened masters or toy dolls...


Posted by: Ningen Apr 21 2017, 04:14 AM
The grandma theory might help to explain why the first choice of outfit was traditional.

Posted by: Zahooee Apr 21 2017, 06:13 AM
QUOTE (Mamma Peach @ Apr 19 2017, 08:52 AM)
...<snip>  and now write her story. ...Maybe her chatter is a distraction.

This idea intrigues me. Considering how important a plot point Miho's "story" has been to this point.

Miho's story has been a key aspect of her existence, both blessing and a curse. It drives her horde by tapping into their emotions and appears to literally give her life. Just the attempt to deviate from the oh-so-carefully preserved plot line has the consequence of causing great destruction.

While we are all driven by our own stories, Miho's has become a nearly tangible force of nature. It almost reminds me of so many "time travel, must avoid a paradox" tales.

That said, I love how--no matter how much she tries--Miho can't really deny her own story. As devious as she is, she can't seem to make herself spin a convincing alternate tale. I mean, she's always been a little less-than-truthfull when discussing herself, but I don't know that she's every out-and-out lied, outside of that time with Piro on-line...and look at how that turned out.

She starts out with "Yeah, I'm a ninja-girl" and quickly turns the story to "but, I'm not one anymore." This is so obvious that Junpei's sister doesn't even need to be as perceptive as she obviously is to see through it.

So much so that she gives Miho 2/3 of a "Cool story, bro" before she continues on as the force of nature she obviously is.

She may just have the power to help Miho craft that new story. While I doubt anybody can rewrite the past, one can certainly change the ending before the book closes.

Posted by: Mamma Peach Apr 21 2017, 11:36 AM
QUOTE (mistersaxon @ Apr 21 2017, 04:44 AM)
Or maybe Ninja-girl is also not very used to having actual friends and spent most of her childhood with either wizened masters or toy dolls...

True. Given the "kill rival clan" she probably doesn't have other ninja-girl friends, and how many same age kids are there in one family? Usually not many. If she goes to school outside of her ninja world she probably can't tell then about her life either.

Posted by: iffy Apr 21 2017, 12:53 PM
Assuming he wasn't inventing or imagining it, we do know that Junpei said he was tasked to make Miho's story end. (More literally, an emergency termination order was given by head ninja. For stability purposes. Whatever that entails from their perspectives.) Seemingly, he is the backup plan, which is that he can (or is supposed to appear to be the one who could actually succeed in causing) this story to finish, by having Miho die like she is supposed to at the end of things. Although that's not exactly correct either? Most of this has revolved around Piro attempting to not let it end like usual. Which, we don't know how it ends like usual, really, do we. Or at least we see she keeps returning.

Then there's some kind of meta blurring and combining of fact and fiction. That is, the real thing as not fake or artificial, in that the emotions associated with it are from truth and actuality on some level, where the observer and participant can feel it. Still, the fans are fans of what is within these stories and paths, not of the real world in its random capricious unknowable chaotic ways. What she is the Analogues for ends up at some strength and linkage within that fiction. Or at least she's said things like that, and others have acted in ways that suggest they believe it's how things are. Miho herself though is not supposed to have fans she says, it isn't about her as an actual person directly. Such as at least Kenji and Mugi thinks there's things that can't happen and yet do, both in the CoE before Miho shows up and after, now, ongoing. The interrogator appears unaware of what Miho is doing or Piro's part in it in 1271.

Yet most all of this is about Miho directly, in many ways, mixed in with notional or actual stories of who she is someplace such as in Endgames (before, now; alive, dead, both, neither) or as the pregnant ex-pirate lass locked away story tapering off into nothing in game-terms. More; sparring with Ed, Kimiko's manner of bringing more to the role than exists in it, or what happened with Erika before and after quitting in a spectacular way, whatever happened with Meimi or Junko, interactions with Yuki in a variety of inconsistent contexts, even Ping. Or here trying to take on a persona and appearing to fail didn't read the script, didn't practice the song. Unless that's just another role. But what is the story, and where is it supposed to take place. How much has bled out of or into MT proper and isn't where it's supposed to actually be.

Here Miho appears to keep trying to enter back into things anyway, even though she should know what doing so will accomplish (as much as she's talked about drawing The Horde and such things), but she's not aggressively following it at all. Because she can't, won't, or really wasn't serious about it to begin with. We can only guess.

Who was it that allegedly tasked the head ninja to create or send a failsafe, and for whose purposes? Piro? TPCD? Other Analogues? Nobody? We did see Miho herself appear to cancel the ranger zombie rampage at Ikebukuro, and then go meet up with them, on her way to some things including Ed's story. Or whatever that actually was. Is this anything like it, or as real as when she fought with Meimi, vanished for Junko, sacrificed herself for Erika or Yuki, or bonded with Kimiko and her portrayal and feelings, or poured out her heart to Piro in those delightfully informationally-devoid ways of hers. For results though, as far as we know what Junpei did was actually just as acceptable as removing her from the picture "emergency termination" style. On lines with Meimi neutralizing Largo by putting him on a plane. Or the way it worked out, pairing him up with Erika.

So in the misty mystery of the dividing lines between real and fantasy, who is calling the shots here and now? Can we at all trust that what Miho is doing now isn't as planned out and on purpose as anything she's previously done. That's as easy to answer as what purpose, if any, she had for being in Endgames doing what she did.

Posted by: Rapierman Apr 21 2017, 05:39 PM
The thing of it is....the more she lies, the more she's going to get tangled up in that web. Hilarity normally ensues after this.

Posted by: Invisigoth Apr 21 2017, 07:30 PM
QUOTE (Rapierman @ Apr 21 2017, 06:39 PM)
The thing of it is....the more she lies, the more she's going to get tangled up in that web. Hilarity normally ensues after this.

I'm pretty sure that her interrogator isn't going to allow the lies to continue for much longer

Posted by: iffy Apr 22 2017, 10:02 AM
It's almost like they took Mami and Asako and combined them, added a few years, what have you.



Either way, this one here, Junpei's sister or otherwise, doesn't appear to be taking this all too seriously. Make-believe pretend being what it is. Whatever she actually knows of the situation or really wants to do. Aside from playing dress-up with her new buddy.

Posted by: S1arburst Apr 22 2017, 02:01 PM
Iffy, I've been thinking since the beginning of the chapter that Miho needs someone to brush her hair.

It's a very serious and important thing!

I remember paarfi saying that work was going to be done on forums to make them more stable. I don't know if it's more that work, or coincidence, but they've been working way better for me the last comic or two. Awesome!

Also, it's great how many new comic pages we're getting.

Posted by: Xavon Apr 22 2017, 03:51 PM
Maybe that is Junpei. Maybe he has one of those curses, or something.

Posted by: Teddy-Werebear Apr 27 2017, 10:13 AM
HEH HEH HEH HEH HEH HEH EHHhhhhhhhhh...

Do not go there on vacation if you do not read or even speak a dialect of Chinese.
Just sayin...

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